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Obama says they're near a deal, presumably taking word from Dodd and Reid.

McCain says the world will collapse if he doesn't go and get involved, and that the bill would not pass as currently constructed, even though he's not even on the relevant committee.

As McCain has been acting like a complete nutcase for the past 24 hours, I'm inclined to believe Obama.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 11:38:22 AM EST
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Also, Bloomberg says Bush is basically caving on everything the Dems demanded.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 11:42:28 AM EST
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That's a bad sign.

It's as if they had caved on everything the Dems would have demanded in 2002 just to get the Iraq war authorisation.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 11:44:21 AM EST
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Why a bad sign?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 11:45:39 AM EST
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It means the financial sector really needs the $700bn.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 11:48:40 AM EST
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The financial sector would need way more than that.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:04:56 PM EST
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Why are you laughing?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:09:16 PM EST
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S.c.h.a.d.e.n.f...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:23:18 PM EST
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People (well, younger colleagues) keep telling me about their friends in London or in trading rooms here in Paris who just got fired. I have a hard time feeling sorry for them.

They drank the kool-aid.

Oh - but never mind, Le Canard Enchainé reported Wednesday that French traders that come back to France and work between one day and one month (but not more) in France after losing their job in the UK apparently get indemnified on the basis of their UK salary - ie they get the ASSEDIC ceiling which is around 5000 eruos per months.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:37:11 PM EST
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Jerome things he's decoupled from the US financial sector?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:37:32 PM EST
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I'm also part of the victims - ie my activity is now starved of funds even though we never did anything stupid.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 12:41:41 PM EST
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The GOP leadership can't get the House Republicans to sign on.
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 06:33:49 PM EST
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The House Democratic Leadership are staying firm in their fundamental position: This is Bush's bill and he has to get the House Republicans to sign on and vote for it.

House Republicans are saying they are getting 10/1 no/yes calls from their constituents.

Bush has nothing to offer the House Republicans.  McCain has no leverage over the the House Republicans.  The House Republicans are in full revolt against their leadership.

Prognosis: No Deal will be reached.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 06:49:09 PM EST
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No deal.

That's that then.  McCain and Boehner torpedoed the bill.

Fair enough.  It's their funeral.

The Dems should load the bill up with every little thing they could ever want, throw it on the table, and say, "This is our only offer, assholes.  Take it or leave it, it's your funeral."

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:03:53 PM EST
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What would be the results of that? would george have to veto unacceptable to him provisions? or would the more acceptable electoraly prospect be for some GOP legislators to try and engage in some disruptive action to stop the dems plan going through?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:13:50 PM EST
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The result would be, "Put up or shut up," instead of allowing the Republicans to play these stupid fucking games.

By the way, do you have a link to those UK betting site aggregators?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:15:55 PM EST
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try This

incidentally, the more tab at the top of that page gives current odds being offered by each individual bookmaker on a state by state basis as well.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:24:38 PM EST
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Thanks.  Still running 69-71% everywhere.  Pretty impressive, since they seem to think Obama takes the Kerry states plus IA, NM and CO, but is less than 50/50 on the other key red states.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:30:09 PM EST
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Re Veto:  The President has to either pass or veto an entire bill.  He does not have 'Line Item Veto' authority.
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:30:28 PM EST
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Right.  Governors do in many cases though.  I know Richardson does in your state.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:39:54 PM EST
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It was Bush's Bill.  He was the one who gave a televised speech saying, "Either this passes or we're all gonna die."  It's his party holding up passage.  Let them take the heat.

Meanwhile, McCain and Idiot have moved the economy front and center.  That's an issue Dems win by double digits.

Since No Deal then McCain either backs off on his No Debate pledge or gives Obama 2 hours free TV time.

Hey!  I'll take it all.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:17:07 PM EST
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