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The GOP leadership can't get the House Republicans to sign on.
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 06:33:49 PM EST
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The House Democratic Leadership are staying firm in their fundamental position: This is Bush's bill and he has to get the House Republicans to sign on and vote for it.

House Republicans are saying they are getting 10/1 no/yes calls from their constituents.

Bush has nothing to offer the House Republicans.  McCain has no leverage over the the House Republicans.  The House Republicans are in full revolt against their leadership.

Prognosis: No Deal will be reached.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 06:49:09 PM EST
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No deal.

That's that then.  McCain and Boehner torpedoed the bill.

Fair enough.  It's their funeral.

The Dems should load the bill up with every little thing they could ever want, throw it on the table, and say, "This is our only offer, assholes.  Take it or leave it, it's your funeral."

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:03:53 PM EST
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What would be the results of that? would george have to veto unacceptable to him provisions? or would the more acceptable electoraly prospect be for some GOP legislators to try and engage in some disruptive action to stop the dems plan going through?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:13:50 PM EST
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The result would be, "Put up or shut up," instead of allowing the Republicans to play these stupid fucking games.

By the way, do you have a link to those UK betting site aggregators?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:15:55 PM EST
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try This

incidentally, the more tab at the top of that page gives current odds being offered by each individual bookmaker on a state by state basis as well.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:24:38 PM EST
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Thanks.  Still running 69-71% everywhere.  Pretty impressive, since they seem to think Obama takes the Kerry states plus IA, NM and CO, but is less than 50/50 on the other key red states.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:30:09 PM EST
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Re Veto:  The President has to either pass or veto an entire bill.  He does not have 'Line Item Veto' authority.
by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:30:28 PM EST
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Right.  Governors do in many cases though.  I know Richardson does in your state.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:39:54 PM EST
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It was Bush's Bill.  He was the one who gave a televised speech saying, "Either this passes or we're all gonna die."  It's his party holding up passage.  Let them take the heat.

Meanwhile, McCain and Idiot have moved the economy front and center.  That's an issue Dems win by double digits.

Since No Deal then McCain either backs off on his No Debate pledge or gives Obama 2 hours free TV time.

Hey!  I'll take it all.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 25th, 2008 at 07:17:07 PM EST
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