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is still the most likely end game, as billmon predicted recently.

And my prediction is still that the eurozone will weather a dollar crash a lot better than most people say or think.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 05:46:50 AM EST
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Do you think Spain will get credit from China? After losing all that money? will they still have savings to invest in europe, apricualry ina coutnry wtht he same kind of bubble as the US?

please,coudl you elaborate about Spain?

About france and germany I guess that US demand will nt be such a big shock? I guess yo have the numbers of german exports, but it seemed important to me: germany will get into recession if US demand halts, isn't it?

Maybe I am worng, but I see recession in europe too, maybe shorter in Germany, but not necessarily in Spain.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 05:51:15 AM EST
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both have significant budget surpluses, and lowish overall public debt - so public spending to prop up the economy is very much possible.

German exports to the US are not that significant compared to its GDP - and a lot of German exports are not that price sensitive (want a BMW? Here's the price. Or - want the gearbox for that wind turbine? Here's the waiting list and the price).

Again, the big secret is that the eurozone is much less dependent on the rest of the world than most people realise.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 06:00:48 AM EST
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I am more with you about Germany than about Spain...

who finances the Spanish debt if needed? that's my worry.. plus The surplus is gone.. so it wil be deficit.. and I am not sure any spanish government will go spending with credit.

We have first to deflate the house bubble and the spanish "ideology" of getting rich with a "pelotazo" and not long-term investment on research, technologies and energy... I am nto sure we will make the trasntion without easy money.

I am afraid Spain is not quite ready to cope with a lack of foreign credit despite having the most healthy banking system in the world (probably).

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 07:25:15 AM EST
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The consumer goods like BMW's are very price/recession sensitive - people buy less cars, and become more price sensitive as the economy tanks. The industrial goods are very recession sensitive - less capital investment, less demand.

Spain - its fiscal balance is good, but its housing bubble was even crazier than the American one, and its got a really nasty current account deficit. A higher Euro and recession among those buying second homes/retirment homes will really not help.

by MarekNYC on Fri Sep 26th, 2008 at 12:15:08 PM EST
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