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A slaughter isn't enough. to even begin to unwind this stuff, people should face trial for crimes against the constitution, including half the USSC.

There should be an augean scale clearout

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 03:11:40 PM EST
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The entire Bush administration needs to be shipped to the Hague to stand trial for War Crimes.

Not Going to Happen.

Even the "augean scale clearout" isn't going to happen.  The US is going to be dealing with Bushies in the Federal Bureaucracy for decades to come.  

Most likely for the rest of my life.  sigh

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 03:27:34 PM EST
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One can hope that enough of them are authoritarian followers that, if their side is defeated and they are left without support, they'll lose their nerve and either quit, or convert.
by Zwackus on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 05:38:04 PM EST
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  We don't know if this lead is going to hold up.

Still need ten Senate seats.

If we can hold the ones Nate has us winning, and then add Hagan, Franken, and Lunsford, we'll have made it to 60 if you count Lieberman.  I kind of think Obama's going to at least get close enough in NC to allow Hagan to pull it off.  And I kind of think Franken's going to pull it off in Minnesota.

Lunsford's race in Kentucky will be tough, but the capacity is there.  He ought to hammer McConnell on the economy and Wall Street.

Need Musgrove to come through in Mississippi to get to 61.  We already know from polling that it can be done, but it's a damned hard one.

Things are moving though.  Watch the race in Georgia between Chambliss and Martin.  I think the race tightening there, if it does, will be what tells you we've got a real shot at 60 seats (without Lieberman).  I don't think we can win that seat, but a loss in the mid- to high-single digits probably means we get the above ones.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 03:28:35 PM EST
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Yes, you're right. Even assuming that McCain has dropped over the event horizon, the Senate seats matter as well. Jeez, why is it so hard to win 10 more seats. Repugs should be falling over everywhere.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 03:58:23 PM EST
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The second hardest task in US politics is knocking off an incumbent Senator.  It is almost impossible.  (And Lord knows I've helped try.)  

Second, if you look at the map on Pollster.com (here) and look at the solid McCain states (2 Senators per state) that translates into a bedrock of 35 GOP Senate seats with a potential maximum of 40.

There's very little slop available.

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 04:20:44 PM EST
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The Senate races are actually moving even faster for us than the presidential.

Kay Hagan, for example, shot up to a six-point lead in North Carolina while Obama began coming in at a tie or perhaps a slight lead.  My guess is that Hagan may be approaching double digits now, and that Obama might -- might -- be seeing something akin to the Virginia numbers from last week.

Certainly if Obama wins the state, I expect Hagan to win handily.  All he's really got to do is keep it close enough to the point that he can't drag on her at all.  She might even help him get over the finish line.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Sep 28th, 2008 at 04:28:17 PM EST
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