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Great diary, Frank. Thanks.
Too late for me to rec it on Kos, but still a great summary.
The key questions are,
--When will the plundering become obvious enough for real change to happen? Which leads one to "What are the real preconditions for change?"

--Can a leader like Kennedy or FDR really change the system enough to snatch the keys to the safe from the 0.1% who have scraped off so much money?

Jerome did a diary called "Some Lessons from Bailout Week" that got some good comments, and I tried to address these questions there:

What will it really take?

The evidence for a shadow CIA assasination of Robert Kennedy is quite good also, so your concerns for Obama's safety are good ones, and are mine also.

For those who don't want to read the comment, I think it will take HARD TIMES for change to come, and I think Obama might be able to rise to the occasion--just might.
Time will tell....

Hard times- an oral history of the great depression, by Studs Terkel
 

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:36:52 AM EST
Listen to John Beecher's interview (above)to get a sense of what it will take.
Who among us has the guts for this?

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:44:12 AM EST
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The truth is that no one has any real experience of this because we have had a period of unprecedented prosperity since 1945 - some local/regional wars and recessions notwithstanding.  There is almost no appreciation of the realities of poverty, untreated but treatable disease, homelessness, civil disorder, mass political repression in western Europe or the USA.

But despite all the above, we still have political processes in place which can create a way forward - but it takes time, and that is in short supply right now.

Vote McCain for war without gain

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:27:27 AM EST
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Did you listen to the interview?

The experience is there.

What Studs Terkle writes about in his many incredible books is the world outside the box--OUR box--the world that is experienced every day by the other 85% of the human race.

That period of prosperity you speak of has been very unevenly distributed. Lots of people know how to live --very, very thin, with little fooptprint and less cash.
And the people Terkle interviews had the added experience of going from prosperity to disastrous decline, and their ways of coping are revealing. And their government (as the interview shows) did an incredible job of coping, in some ways, and blew it in others. Look at the interaction, the feedback--the Roosevelt BrainTrust was winging it, learning on the fly.

A near-perfect classroom--which will sadly not be heeded, I fear.

I got this great idea, Harvey-- it's a round thing with a hole in it, and you take this stick--
I call it a "wheel".


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 01:01:15 PM EST
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I heard it.  I was referring to the popular experience of most current voters - not the experience captured by historians, oral archives and academia.  It has always amazed me how little FDR seems to be revered in the USA.  It seems almost as if he is considered an unfortunate anomaly in the otherwise almost unbroken line of macho, white, protestant, militaristic, conservative, ruthless, authoritarian, egotistical, hubristic and borderline pathological types who seem to dominate the genre...

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 01:46:19 PM EST
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It seems almost as if (FDR) is considered an unfortunate anomaly in the otherwise almost unbroken line of macho, white, protestant, militaristic, conservative, ruthless, authoritarian, egotistical, hubristic and borderline pathological types...
That would be because he was just such an anomaly. He was on track to be just what you describe when he was struck down by polio.  The disease and the recovery had a deeply transformative effect on FDR.  The TV movie Warm Springs, with Kenneth Branagh playing FDR catches the essentials quite well.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 06:00:09 PM EST
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ah, studs, my main man...

terkel, btw.

the conscience of america.

charles kuralt, bill moyers, few of that calibre...

'the good war(?)' was fabulous, as was 'working', where he interviews people of all walks about their work.

the happiest at his job was a stonecutter...

cannot say enough good about this man, studs terkel, a truly noble human being, in the highest sense of the word.

thanks geezer a paree!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 01:59:44 PM EST
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