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I was at the preview of a new 3D cinema last week - the first in Finland. It uses an active polarized glasses system. You can see me far right looking extremely bored - as I was.

Firstly the movie, 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth' was crap. Secondly, the glasses were uncomfortable, and finally, though the 3D effect certainly works, it was tedious after 10 minutes.

We were treated to some speeches announcing a new technological marvel to rival the earlier introduction of sound, and then, later, colour. Personally I'd have welcomed the introduction of intelligence.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 10:57:58 AM EST
First of all, what is this WIDOW Twanky stuff?  :)

Second, are you the dude with the white beard?

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:02:17 AM EST
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I suggest you google - but the Widow Twanky (or Twankey) is an archetypal and revered figure in the English pantomime version of Aladdin. She is always played by a man, is coarse and raucous, and is well versed in 'life', as opposed to the boy Aladdin (always played by a girl) who is an innocent ;-)

Make what you will of the English fascination for crisscross-dressing.

Yep, I'm that dude.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:13:25 AM EST
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I'll take your word for it, but the thought that there are other Twanks in this universe gives me pause.

I do like the "revered figure ... coarse and raucous ... is well versed in 'life'" parts.

Oh, and the Cheney underground police will be visiting you shortly.  Hope you enjoy sunny Cuba.

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:24:24 AM EST
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Have an example, (although I havent watched it myself)



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:12:32 PM EST
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Make what you will of the English fascination for crisscross-dressing.

There's nothing wrong with it, it just doesn't work as well as some of us might have hoped :-)).

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:31:38 AM EST
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LOL

Apparently the entire audience shared your critical view.  The lady third to your right looks like she would rather be having a root canal.  The gentleman in the right foreground of the picture is carefully analyzing the technology ... so he doesn't have to think about the plot and acting.  And the woman in black, to his right, has fallen asleep.

Either that or everybody is doing the standard Scandinavian, "I paid good money to see this.  I am going to ENJOY it."

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:13:53 AM EST
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Aaah - the captive versus non-captive audience. One of my most basic theories of communication. This bunch of critics and liggers at the non-public preview are, of course, non-captive in the sense that they have not paid to see the movie, but captive in the symbiotic relationship between their readers, their employers and the distributors.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:22:06 AM EST
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According to Imdb the film was taken from Paul Chart, the originator of the project, and handed over to the special effects supervisor "Eric Brevig and the script was heavily retooled to emphasize the new 3-D format."  No wonder the film was boring.  It was supposed to be boring.  

Every decade Hollywood trots out a new & improved 3D format, the audience boos, and the format slinks back into its cave.  Look on the bright side.  You're saved until the twenty-tens.

A doo run-run-run, a doo run-run

by ATinNM on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:36:10 AM EST
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There is a very good use for 3D that I saw demonstrated many years ago - I presume it is widespread now - for viewing computer models. The application I saw was for molecular biology. It made a lot of sense to be able to rotate the model in RT and have all the depth cues. It used the same active polaroid technology.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:00:29 PM EST
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Were there issues with flicker/polarization or CRT/LCD computer displays?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:17:23 PM EST
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The one I saw which was Sun Systems had a very clear monitor and the glasses were very light, except as I recall there was a thin cable connected to the computer - at least you wouldn't lose them ;-)

I found it very natural - especially compared using the Xpand glasses.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:50:16 PM EST
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When I visited the NAM, the Dutch oil and gas company, in 2000(?) they were already working with it for strucutural block models and 3D seismics, among others to delineate horizontal drilling projects. I'm sure all the major oil companies have 3D rooms in use. ITC in Enschede is developing 3D video and computer models as well, specifically for the visualisation of geographical information.
by Nomad on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 01:30:29 PM EST
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As this is partly my field, let me toss in two centimes.

There are 3 3D systems available now; RealD, XpanD, and Dolby. Sony showed their version to a select audience at CineExpo last June, so they will be the 4th at some unannounced date.

Since it was active glasses, you must have seen the XpanD system. I haven't seen an excellent demo of theirs, only small expo rooms, so I can't comment.

I have seen the Dolby and the RealD system, which was the first one to hit the ground running a few years ago, Interview with Josh Greer, Real D
 
.

When I saw my first clip of Chicken Little with the RealD system long before it was released, I thought that my eyes were going to bleed from little needles being stuck in them. I saw their reel recently, and it was surprising how much better it was. Saw some post work being done with it, and I must say that the entire technology is quite cool and capable. Saw a bunch of the U2 concert on it, with a great sound system and I can imagine that the day will come soon when people won't want to see a concert film any other way...or vice versa, that people will go to cinemas to see concerts.  

One advantage of DCinema is that niche products can be made and distributed, and niche markets can be hit because the distribution costs are lower, so concert films in a cinema with a great sound system can become marketable for example...or video games being played against cross town or cross planet rivals from a cinema.

In fact, the day will come soon when live 3D DCinema events can all be done for a marketable price (theNBA did a basketball game to good reviews last year) and people will flock to theaters for the event (not talking about 3 week long runs.) They already are flocking to cinemas to see live opera, broadcast from NY and SF and other places, in 2D. 3D will make it even more attractive when all the parts are nailed together and you bring your own fitted and/or prescription 3D glasses.

All current systems have a problem getting enough light to the eyeballs because of the way that each technology presently works. RealD handles this with a silver screen. Their glasses are kept cheap because they are to keep or be throw-aways. Dolby and XpanD are more expensive and washable. Dolby even has lenses that are hemispheric so that the distance of the light coming to the eyeball from the lens is the same as the eye moves. Somewhat more comfortable and they aren't as bulky cumbersome. (There is an inherent bulkiness to all the glasses because they have to keep all reflected and off-axis light out of the eyes to keep up the effect. So all the glasses have wide plastic parts.)

3D is still hard to do, and the production teams are still learning what can be done and what can be done well and what shouldn't be done. Animations were the first, and they have turned the corner. Several studios are now committed to making everything in 3D, with 2D as the down-convert.

There are some big producer non-animation productions being done in 3D now (Cameron getting the most press because he is also using the RED camera - this article has some good pull quotes James Cameron supercharges 3-D
.) As the real pros get the technique down, it is likely that the movies won't give the same specious feeling - that the 3D will be part of the way we see things, not a technique to scare the bejezuz out of one with a snake being thrown in your face.

Journey got a lot of flack for appearing to just be pandering to the 3D coolness bandwagon. Unfortunately, there just aren't enough 3D sites...there aren't really enough DCinema sites...so they couldn't even pull off that stunt. I saw a part of it a year ago. In the scheme of things, one knows that this kind of picture had to be made, as schmalzy as it was. So fine, it is behind us now.

All in all, this is not likely to be a technology that goes away. It works, though it is still being refined. It is nothing like the old systems by any stretch. And while the old systems would get one producer backing it and then it disappeared, all the studios are behind this one. There is a consumer technology following in a few years. There are even systems that are showing a nascent technology of converting some classic 2D into 3D. I saw a minute or two of the original Star Wars that was done at a jillion dollars a second, and it was not cool at all. It was just perfect. At that point I realized that there is a chance that this is how movies will just be. </sorry for hype motions>

It is also an add-on to digital cinema technology in general, which is slowly advancing toward a general roll-out. 3D costs a lot of money. In the neighborhood of 15-20k more, on top of the 100k dcinema system. This is a technology where, besides getting rid of a chemical/plastic/environmental nasty, the studios save more than a billion dollars a year, until uhm...carry the 5, divide by...oh, yeah, forever.  

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:32:21 PM EST
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I have an image of people just shutting themselves away in a headset and never emerging as a social being again.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:49:35 PM EST
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One of the strong sales points of the cinema experience is that it is a social experience, undupliacatable by other technologies.

This is brought up all the more because television now have such excellent quality, and television broadcast or use of BlueRay discs for example, is capable of excellent quality. People often mention how they can take a break when they want, don't have to pay the babysitter or listen to cell phones and smell rancid popcorn, etc.

I enjoy both, and they are both cocooning. One doesn't mix with their neighbors, for example. Even in the open air cinema of Monaco, you might talk to your friends before the show starts, but you don't see people talking to people around them socially (except to say - Can you smoke somewhere else please?) But I do like to see big movies in a big screen atmosphere, and I do buy sweets there when I don't allow them for myself anywhere else. Funny, eh?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:59:53 PM EST
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One of the points of the cinema theater for me is not being able to take a break...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 05:21:03 AM EST
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That's been a theme of many virtual reality movies for decades.

When the music's over, turn out the light. Jim Morrison, the doors
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:07:42 PM EST
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How are polarised 3D glasses new ? I think I saw a 3D movie with such glasses15 years ago...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:38:32 AM EST
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New to Finland, based on digital projection in a dedicated commercial theatre.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:42:00 AM EST
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IMAX has arrived?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:46:55 AM EST
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Still under negotiation. The IMAX people have been here, looked at sites, and gone away again.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 11:54:19 AM EST
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So this is yet another 3D film technology, or just another brand for the same product that IMAX sells?

IMAX films suck, by and large.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:12:46 PM EST
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This one is 'Xpand - beyond cinema' he he. 'Today's technology tomorrow' and so on.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:46:46 PM EST
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IMAX 3D is superb - totally immersive.

Two random data points on 3D:

  1. You can buy monitors with cross-polarised 3D technology (and glasses) for around double the price of a conventional monitor. I'm waiting to review on as soon as Zalman, who make it, release drivers for 3D Studio Max and make it useful for more than games and (as they put it) 'adult content.'

  2. There are various no-glasses 3D systems in development - some interesting demos at a recent consumer electronics show. It's not consumer-level technology yet, but it will be soon.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 12:17:03 PM EST
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Any video technology only really breaks through into the public domain when people work out how to put "adult content" onto it

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:26:33 PM EST
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There was a small movie theatre in NY, equipped for the old 3D movies, that advertised, from time to time a 3D porn movie (I'm not sure if there was ever more than one). So the problem has already been solved...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:36:40 PM EST
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you're sitting next to?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:14:36 PM EST
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That is one of those Finnish film critics that get blurbed ie "SHOCKING ENTERTAINMENT!!" Harry Razzle - Movie Fanatic Monthly, found on the covers of DVDs in the darker shelves of your local video rental.

We usually go and have a coffee together after a screening (making me Trotsky?) and talk about the movie. This time we were not inspired.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:49:05 PM EST
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better watch out for the critic with the icepick then. ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:27:32 PM EST
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I've not booked my Mexico tickets yet....

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:29:36 PM EST
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