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dKos reports that Obama is leading in N Dakota. Translate please

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:18:59 PM EST
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Ignore it.  The poll was done and internal one by a Democratic outfit, so I don't buy it (especially if it was made public, which suggests an agenda).

It was done before Obama's speech, too, I believe, and obviously before the RNC.

Still, ND has been pretty tight the whole way.  About even, which is stunning, given that Bush won it by 20 or 30 points in 2004.  So, given Bush's score, it would be damned impressive if Obama won it.  Astonishing, actually.

But Obama plays well in the Upper Great Plains and the Mountain West relative to other Dems, and a little worse in the Rust Belt (I think), although he's beating Kerry everywhere.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:23:52 PM EST
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North Dakota is a sparsely population (~ 667,000) state located exactly in the north central, borders with Canada, of the US.  Primarily settled by German/Scandinavian immigrants it has experienced a steady decline in population due to young, educated, people leaving to find jobs.  The remaining population is white, very religious, rural, and dependent on resource extraction - agriculture, mining, & so on.

The politics are mixed.  ND has been reliable GOP regarding Presidential voting (Bush carried it 67% in '04) but the state has Democratic Senators.

With few Electoral College votes (3?, damnifno) North Dakota isn't important in and of itself but it can be looked at as a 'sample' of how people in the rural, inter-Mountain West are breaking.  

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:30:42 PM EST
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Primarily settled by German/Scandinavian immigrant

Lots of the German immigrants actually came from Russia, so it's a rather peculiar background.

by MarekNYC on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:35:37 PM EST
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Ya, you betcha.

Off hand, there should be commonalities between North Dakota and rural western Iowa.  Last I checked, McCain was losing that area that, again, went heavily for Bush in '04.  

More support for Drew's conclusion the McCain people freakeing over the internals triggered the Palin nomination.

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:43:54 PM EST
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