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In the USA in the late 1960s Time Magazine published an edition with "God is Dead" on the cover.  That didn't seem so unreasonable an assertion at the time.  But it deeply upset the fundamentalists and provoked a reaction. We know the problems with polls, but polls have been taken that show that a substantial majority of US citizens doubt that life is accounted for by evolution and prefer the story of divine creation.  The whole enlightenment project is under assault in the USA.

One of the most disastrous unintended consequences of the Bill of Rights springs from the 1st Amendments bar on the establishment of religion.  In European countries which have or have had established religions religious belief has withered much more thoroughly than in the USA. Perhaps we should establish a state sponsored Church of the Living God in the USA and let all of the fundamentalists duke it out for control.  Then they would be so busy fighting about religion that they would have no time for politics!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 02:56:43 AM EST
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See Israel for a possible counterexample.

The effect of state sponsored religion on the non-religious is probably similar to what has happened in Europe. But the combination of state support and benefits, together with a high birthrate, is resulting in a gradual takeover of the country by the fundamentalists (which, like all unsustainable trends, can't go on for ever, but it's anybody's guess at what point it will stop). Do you really want to take the risk that the U.S would be more like Europe?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 03:34:55 AM EST
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Truth be told, I am simultaneously being facetious and grasping at straws.  Were the same dynamic of deference to the fundamentalist by much of the still somewhat religious population occur in the US, as appears to me to occur in Israel that could be very negative.  However, the diversity of fundamentalists in the USA could make things more interesting here.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 12:12:26 PM EST
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You can't use the European example. In Europe, the secular branches of the states had just finished doing an Atatürk on the then-established church and were setting up a new one that would be firmly under the boot of the secular powers that were (at least in the parts of Europe where this gambit worked - it didn't do much good for the counter-reformed countries...).

There is a variety of reasons - most of them very good - that pulling an Atatürk on a modern, reasonably democratic society would be A Bad Idea.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Sep 11th, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST
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