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Just a tasty bit from the Frenic report: its ending.

La population locale appelle 'les pots de chambres' les autorités (afghanes) mises en place par les Occidentaux...

The local population call the (Afghan) authorities set up by the Westerners "the chamber pots".

Avons-nous vocation à être des cibles au service des 'pots de chambre'?

Is it our job to be targets in the service of "chamber pots"?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 05:48:45 AM EST
Can you remind me why we are going after Afghanistan?

The accounts in the report somehow place greater perspective on what actually happens when we 'send troops in' and wasting so many lives with incompetence like that is appalling.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 06:04:29 AM EST
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It's spelled out above, the future of the "free world" is being played out in Afghanistan.

If you don't believe it, listen to the good Dr Kissinger.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 06:41:49 AM EST
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Can you remind me why we are going after Afghanistan?

To stop al-Qaeda to from using it as a safe haven. Which seems to work.

Too bad the Pakistani tribal areas are just next door...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 10:35:36 AM EST
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when it comes to countries picked up and thrown around just to show who's boss, i wonder if afghanistan was the right choice...

the usa is hostage to rapturist wingnut arms merchants and fossil fool perviders, the business of america is business, any one don't like it, well you oughta bought more hardware, pussies.

the rest of the world has little choice in the matter, it appears. what has me in a grim fascination is how long the american public is going to put up with being lied to in such a prolonged and unimaginative way.

it's never a good thing to realise you've been made a fool of, but there has to come a time of reduced returns on erroneous beliefs, and no thread is unsnappable.

oh well, it's just the fate of one small planet among many...

time to reincarnate as some jovian dust, maybe.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:21:28 AM EST
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You really can't tell much from this engagement.  It's really too small (obviously not a small thing for those killed and their families) to draw major conclusions about tactics and capabilities. Everyone has known for a long time that Afghanistan is a difficult place to fight in and occupy and that the Taliban is regaining the initiative. The goals are to establish a government that is representative of the people (not too hopeful about the outcome) that will not support or become a safehaven for terrorists (priority one). All in all it won't be easy, may in fact fail, and the wasteful diversion in Iraq didn't help chances. Was the "invasion" of Afghanistan necessary, on balance - probably. Remember, Afghanistan was already at war with itself before the latest Western intrusion, and the repressive Taliban was winning and a staunch supporter of terrorism.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:22:56 AM EST
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BTW, I just saw your excellent diary of February (from the link you provided).  

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:28:40 AM EST
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Well, there are signs that don't look good coming out of this engagement, which was all the same a moderately important example of what needs to be done in terms of boots-on-the-ground reconnaissance, if only Kabul is to be protected...

The aims you state are indeed the putative aims of American policy, but (as you say) the democracy angle is a most unlikely one, and, as Starvid says elsewhere on this thread, the "terrorists" are safe in the tribal territories of Pakistan (and, indeed, in adjoining mountainous territory in Afghanistan). In my view this is thin cover for a policy of maintaining influence in Central Asia and the Middle East (and energy resources), policy which considers Afghanistan as the frontier to hold, right up against China.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:58:47 AM EST
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