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It depends on whether a different bet in each version of the diary is allowed ... to quote the full comment including subject heading:

Ooh, ooh, ooh, do I get a Mulligan here?
All that speculation that was really holding the price up gets burned when oil hits $99, and it quickly drops to $68.37

I'm going for both over AND under on the same bet.

If only one bet is allowed between the two fora, then the "over" bet at dKos would be the first bet laid, and as I'm sure it is three figures, it would put me far out of the running.

I definitely was not joking that it could drop ... chaotic prices are to be expected when sliding off the Peak Oil plateau ... but that was not my original bet over at Agent Orange.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jan 1st, 2009 at 06:22:41 PM EST
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... Bush attacks Iran in support of McCain's presidential bid, the straits shut down, oil is $258.36.

Like the quote says, I bet both sides of over/under, leaving the middle to the experts.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 06:14:49 AM EST
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Is it impossible there's a certain level of price fixing going on?

The low price is really hurting Iran and Russia. The Saudis have more money than they know what to do with, so while they may make unhappy noises in public, it's not impossible they don't much care in private.

The US and Europe benefit the most, and in the medium term it takes pressure off any move away from an oil powered economy.

Politically it's a win for a the US and Europe and a very bad thing for Iran and Russia. Another year or so of this and Iran may be in danger of regime change. (Imagine that...) Russia will be finding it hard to finance any new military spending.

Considering that the oil companies were among the most profitable businesses of the previous few years, they certainly have some room to move around in if there happened to be an interest in strategic rather than tactical goals.

Has there ever been quite such a spectacular bubble followed by quite such a spectacular slump in trading history? (Except for silly non-commodities like tulips.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 02:05:01 PM EST
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There could be a certain degree of avoidance of price fixing going on ... it may be that OPEC cannot agree on an effective quota to shore up the price because there are not enough members convinced that they would benefit from a high price as much as the free riders outside of OPEC would do.

In terms of price ... its only a swing from the $140/barrel range to the $40/barrel, after all. When the Great Depression hit, commodities fell by far more than 70% ...  I believe crude oil fell by 90% or more, and there were farm products in the field that were not harvested because the return on the crop would not pay for the expenses of the harvest.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 02:38:23 PM EST
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... there are members of OPEC for whom prices that cause severe difficulty to both Russia and Iran could just possibly seem worth the sacrifice ... especially since it may be accomplished by simply sabotaging effective action.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 10:56:10 PM EST
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