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Is anyone prepared to start treating energy policy on a 30 year timescale, rather than a 3 month one?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:26:30 AM EST
sorry but my shareholders require quarterly profits and cashflow reporting, and right now they are more interested in cash flow...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:41:59 AM EST
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To much substance, not enough words.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 10:44:32 AM EST
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"Firstly - and this is important - there is no energy shortage. There are sufficient energy resources to meet global needs far into the future.

"Secondly, a time frame of 30 years is entirely too long to permit rapid responses to the developments we will see on the energy markets going forward as more and more developing nations seek to meet their increasing energy demands.

"The challenge then is essentially one of assuring adequate investment in new energy resources - in alternative energy sources as well, of course, but fossil fuels will remain the main source of energy far into the future.

"Both these aims are best achieved by allowing the markets to function without interference from cumbersome bureaucratic regulation - which is naturally less efficient and less able to respond dynamically to rapidly evolving market conditions."

How am I doing so far? ;-)

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:13:16 AM EST
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Pretty good, so when do you head out for Davos?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:20:20 AM EST
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Just as soon as I finish negotiating my pay package.

Those fools want to cut me off at $3M a year base salary and clawbacks on my performance bonus. The nerve!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:31:41 AM EST
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No price is to high for global insights like this...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:34:40 PM EST
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Thanks, Frank!

Wanna be on my Board of Directors?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 01:00:08 PM EST
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You couldn't afford me!!!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 01:13:10 PM EST
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Subsidiary: "If thirty years is too long for rapid responses to developments, why are you forecasting what energy resources will be around over the next thirty years?"

Answer: no subsidiary questions, thank you.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:41:02 AM EST
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Aw come on, let's make it a little more sporting:

"As I indicated before, there are sufficient resources for the next 30 years and beyond. What we cannot predict is whether we will be able to unlock these resources and bring them to market in a timely fashion so as to enable us to satisfy rapidly evolving demand trends within the context of an increasingly dynamic global economy.

"Unlocking and delivering these resources will demand significant investments. Left to itself, the market will undertake these investments - but not if it is hindered by overly onerous environmental and other regulatory burdens.

"No company is more committed to environmental quality than we are, but excessive regulation is the surest way to choke off economic growth and recovery before it begins."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:08:19 PM EST
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Ooh you really want your $3m pa, don't you?

Sub-subsidiary: "You seem to miss the point. If efficient allocation of resources depends on "satisfying rapidly evolving demand trends", on what basis can you make long-term forecasts of resource availability?"

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:33:05 PM EST
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Silly, silly, silly.  We don't have to make long term forecasts.  We KNOW the world has enough resources - its axiomatic - on the lines of God the markets will provide

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:39:59 PM EST
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Piece o'cake. Let's see if I can take it up a notch:

"Well, the fact of the matter is that those resources are out there in the ground. The question is how best to extract them so that we can create jobs and prosperity.

"The fact is that centralized planning has been conclusively proved much less effective in anticipating and allocating resources than the market. It is not humanly possible to anticipate every possible fluctuation in demand - and fluctuations there will inevitably be as a consequence of our dynamic and vital global economy - but the workings of the market represent the best possible mechanism for resolving these with maximum efficiency within the shortest possible time.

"I realize that a quasi-ideology of total regulation has become rather fashionable. I'm sure this type of 'pure theory' is not without its charms in certain intellectual circles, but the fact is that heavy-handed government intervention will handicap market efficiency extremely severely. In practical terms, any policy maker who goes down that road is irresponsibly putting the jobs, well-being and livelihoods of his citizens at great risk."

I think I'm gonna demand a private jet as well.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:58:35 PM EST
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Keep this up you gonna ketch a bullet when the revolution comes.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 01:42:47 PM EST
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Maybe, but I'll never have to honestly answer a question. ;-)

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 02:00:07 PM EST
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DVX - you are showing a dangerous proficiency in corporate/Newsweek/CNN media speak - something that could get you banned around here if your not careful.  Please control your effusions...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:46:23 PM EST
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I even scare myself sometimes.

Seriously, often enough have to translate marketing bullshit, and I find it flows best at this time of day, when my cynicism is at its max and my willingness to suspend belief and take this crap seriously is running on fumes.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 01:08:29 PM EST
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I don't say, "Good luck with your job interview!"  Clearly, it's in the bag!  

The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 07:07:37 AM EST
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Tha requested focus does in fact seem to be on energy and environment.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 11:49:39 AM EST
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I got yer 30-year payback righchere. Councilman lobbies for loans to make houses energy efficient with some of that TARP lube!

Berliner (D-Dist. 1) of Potomac has joined Climate Communities, a Washington D.C.-based coalition of cities and counties charged with addressing climate change at a federal level, to push his plan for federally-subsidized home-energy audits.

Berliner proposes granting zero-interest $5,000 loans to county homeowners

Dood! Five grand is chump change. The economy is in CRISIS! Go long on $30K minimum and truly "recapitalize" RE "fair value." What the hell, I'll promise NOT to be my own independent contractor ...

who would then use the loans to pay for a home-energy audit and recommended efficiency improvements, such as solar panels or geothermal heat, or simple fixes like caulking around windows.

"It's a game-changer because the homeowner taking the loan no longer has to calculate whether it's a cost-effective loan or not," Berliner said. "The homeowner can take out the loan, get money in their pocket and not worry about it."

Homeowners would repay the loans through additional costs pinned to their property taxes. If a homeowner moves, the new owner would be responsible for the remainder of the money owed.

Funding for the loans, which would come from the federal government if Berliner gets his way, would be managed by a proposed Montgomery County Home Retrofit Revolving Fund.

Meanwhile, downstream, fossil fuel producers ponder alternatives to foreclosed granite countertops...

Jackasses Solicit Certain Better Ideas | Bloomberg | 12 Jan 2009

President-elect Barack Obama is making "significant" changes to his economic stimulus program, such as boosting energy tax incentives, after members of his own party called elements of the plan inadequate.

"I think they're moving very effectively to respond to the issues that we raised the other day," Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, said yesterday after lawmakers met with Obama economic advisers Larry Summers and Jason Furman.

Senator Maria Cantwell, a Washington Democrat, said Summers showed a willingness to double tax credits in the bill for renewable energy to more than $20 billion. ...

Cue Eddie Murphy Raw, Nuttin from nuttin leaves nuttin ...

"We're going to have a collaborative, consultative process with Congress over the next few days," Obama said yesterday on ABC's "This Week" program. "If people have better ideas on certain provisions," the president-elect said, "we welcome that." ...

Cantwell said senators are discussing allowing unprofitable [?!] solar and wind energy producers to cash in tax credits they otherwise wouldn't be able to use until they become taxpayers. Senators are also considering whether to make the credits tradable, she said.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 12:32:55 PM EST
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Who'da thunk it!  The beginning of a depression, when bankruptcies are soaring and measures of business activity look like the arc of a cliff diver in Acapulco, is not the time to be giving businesses tax credits?  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 03:58:25 PM EST
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I'm uncertain if you can imagine the rage I feel every time I encounter this trickle down, pump-and-dump reguritated pablum pumped by "representatives" through MSM. Or how much it pains me to keep my mouth shut in the face of some ... to get a job offer in order to someday realize that tax credit after I've borrowed at market rate to purchase (to assume) some WaMu-like modified mortgage and 20x$5K to replace HVAC, then I filed a 1040 and state-funded "public-private" rebate apps.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jan 12th, 2009 at 06:07:31 PM EST
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