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Sorry for the delay - too many FPs AWOL at the same time!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 01:11:59 PM EST
I appreciate that but generally it would be nice if OT were roughly scheduled for early afternoon GMT. The 17:00/18:00 startups mirror what used to happen when Salon was in the early morning. With Salon opening at 22:00 GMT there's not a lot of time for developing conversations these days.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 01:26:25 PM EST
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Seconded!!!!

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 01:30:01 PM EST
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With all due respect, if you want to have a conversation and the Open Thread is not yet up, you can always use the Klatsch section of the previous Salon.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 03:10:48 PM EST
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With the same amount of respect, you miss the point.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:00:31 PM EST
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Please explain the point then. I gave a response to Helen - the OTs are not often late and we aim to get them up by 3pm. Sometimes this isn't possible.  

This is a community blog and everyone is free to create their own things within it or to start discussions elsewhere or carry on the previous day's OT if the FPers are bit late getting to a computer.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:07:44 PM EST
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If you want to develop a conversation, doing it in the fag end of a Salon while we're waiting for OT isn't the same.

I'm not complaining, I'm very grateful for what you guys contribute. I'm just saying OT tends to be up about 2 - 3 hrs after optimum from my point of view.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:07:52 PM EST
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I'm just saying OT tends to be up about 2 - 3 hrs after optimum from my point of view.

Are we going to have another round of people debating what the time of the Salon or the Open Thread should be for their own personal convenience like last time we moved them around? Never mind me, then.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 05:25:48 PM EST
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Nnnno, I think Helen is saying that the 3pm GMT time was OK and wishes we'd keep to it, not realising that we failed to keep to it because we just couldn't be around to post it at the right time.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 05:40:55 PM EST
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We generally aim to have the OTs up by 3pm GMT.  Usually we do apart from some occasions were none of us are about for whatever reason - usually work.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 02:38:21 PM EST
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So everyone's on the same page, 3PM GMT is 5PM Europe.  Do you mean 3PM London (GMT+1)?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:16:29 PM EST
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I thought GMT was London?  Long day of management training - but yes 3pm London.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:17:38 PM EST
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Maybe you failed to re-set your clock from daylight savings time? ;-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 05:45:59 PM EST
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GMT is Greenwich, 1 hour before London, 2 before Berlin.  Lots of bankers call me an hour later than planned, as i scheduled GMT +2 and they thought GMT is in the center of the universe, London.

computers make that mistake often as well.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 05:58:29 AM EST
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Darn daylight savings!

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 06:01:12 AM EST
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As you're travelling by ferry to the mainland, you probably won't experience any of the wormhole effect that one often gets in the Chunnel.  But don't forget to continue taking local time samples as a preventative.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 06:04:03 AM EST
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It's okay - he used to be a physicist.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 07:01:06 AM EST
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I really hate to contradict you, but my PNing nature will out!

Greenwich Mean Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is a term originally referring to mean solar time at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, London. It is now sometimes used to refer to Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) when this is viewed as a time zone, although strictly UTC is an atomic time scale which only approximates GMT in the old sense. It is also used to refer to Universal Time (UT), which is the astronomical concept that directly replaced the original GMT in 1928. Observations at the Greenwich observatory ended in 1954.

In the UK, GMT is the official time only during winter; during summer British Summer Time is used. GMT is substantially equivalent to Western European Time.[citation needed]

In other words, London is on GMT (or UTC, substantially similar) in winter, on GMT+1 in summer. Paris-Berlin are on GMT+1 in winter (ie now), and GMT+2 in summer.

DoDo and I did some fascinating (for PNers) research into the history of this, in some long-forgotten corner of this blog that I haven't got time to dig out now.

But be assured London is on GMT right now.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 06:33:11 AM EST
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LOL, makes me imagine signs on the road leading to your home saying You are now entering afew territory, where no comma is safe.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 06:37:29 AM EST
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Now i've never astuted to the claims that i know nothing, but i do.  what knowing i presently have is limited to a belief system which includes being an hour ahead of London for most of the year.

i didn't think Britain had a summer?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 06:47:56 AM EST
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They have a thing called British Summer Time to help them believe it exists.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:36:49 AM EST
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There ain't a comma left intact in them thar hills!

Funny thing is, up a comma you find a colon.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:35:33 AM EST
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Ahhh, i see the "aged" men's Korn Klub has gained a new member.

I won't make any corny jokes about a 3rd runway.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 09:02:32 AM EST
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That fascinating PM-ing was in my Central European Time diary, and concerned chiefly the question of why France is in CET rather than GMT where it would naturally belong. We uncovered a total mess of timezones in WWII-time and post-war Europe.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jan 16th, 2009 at 04:52:18 AM EST
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