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But then, Italian opera in the 19th century was popular, Dumas and Hugo were read by millions ; on the other hand the impressionists were reviled, the surrealist hung around with prostitutes, Aristophanes is vulgar... The hard separation between "high brow" and "low brow" is constantly exaggerated, and constantly found to be disappearing.

An interesting book on "cultural dissonance" is that of Bernard Lahire, La culture des individus, which shows that most individuals definitely don't fall within well defined "low brow" and "high brow" categories, but rather fall somewhere in between, depending on the class they started in, but also who they met, whether they are trying to climb the social hierarchy, and their own tastes...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 05:26:31 PM EST
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of smart people, you are a very smart person?

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 05:43:11 PM EST
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He's a treasure here.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 2nd, 2009 at 07:41:41 PM EST
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Yes, I've read Lahire and he's not the first to make these observations. However, there are generalisable trends in cultural consumption and to pretend that it doesn't relate to changes in education and indeed in social class formation is to miss an opportunity to examine more closely both how education and social class formation are changing and also, in reverse, some effects of known changes, particularly to the education system.

It's also worth noting that just because something was popular in the past (Opera, Dumas, Hugo) does not mean that it falls automatically within popular literacy of the present day.

i.e. As you note below, many of the conventions surrounding "high art" were late Victorian vanity inventions. However, they were invented and they did change patterns of consumption.

To run this back to the music thread for a moment, this matters because the story of changes in music consumption is more than just the technology, in fact, given certain effects of the technology the social markers are a more powerful explanation of certain trends.

Finally, to add to the bit about politics that nanne pointed up, the growth of literature festivals is not an innovation, but it is a growth and it does imply a change in the social role of the literature involved, maybe not compared to 150 years ago, but compared to 50 years ago. And that too, is potentially important.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 06:08:22 AM EST
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My own wee theory is that culture, high or low (but especially low), is used for individual understanding of self and environment, and that the type of channel chosen depends on the speed of change in the environment of the self.

Where social change appears to happen slowly, channels are chosen that 'speed up' insight - like time lapse - and conversely, where change appears rapid, 'slo-mo' channels are chosen.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 06:26:00 AM EST
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How much of the change in various cultural events is change in the status attached to various cultural activities ? The cultural habits associated to going to a museum may be becoming more popular, but then "high brow" status may be moving on to other forms where elitism can stay alive. "High brow" isn't a marker of artistic quality but one of social status.

Also, are we so sure that the changes in artistic consumptions in the last century are that deep ? My grand father in the 30's would go to the Opera and to see a popular singer like Damia ; Sartre loved westerns and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 08:08:02 AM EST
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Yup, as linca often says, there's more to life than ballet and baseball.  ;-))

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 08:13:51 AM EST
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