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"And in which eon an atheist one?"

We already had one: Thomas Jefferson.

by asdf on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:40:05 PM EST
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correct the wiki article about Jefferson, in which very clearly the opposite is written.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:11:36 PM EST
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As can be noted by looking at the Wiki discussion page (locked) on Jefferson, he's pretty controversial. Not as controversial as Ayn Rand, but up there. So editing the page is going to be pretty problematical.

As an American politician, Jefferson had to profess some sort of religion, but his deism and/or Unitarianism are at the far extreme of what is possible while staying within the "organized" religions.

I suppose the point is that our Founding Fathers were a pretty solid Enlightenment crowd, and that we have regressed over time. Lincoln and his Bible quoting, FDR and his dragging ministers into the Executive circle, and just worse and worse as we go forward...

by asdf on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 10:23:03 AM EST
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No, I think you're confusing Jefferson's beliefs with what John Adams's followers accused him of in campaigning for the presidency, I think.

Just for the record: Jefferson didn't believe in equal time for Satanism or teaching prostitution in the schools either. ;)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 07:43:58 AM EST
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Jefferson was a pretty committed secularist (and certainly no orthodox Christian in any conventional meaning of the term), but I don't think you can really call him an atheist - even in his private writings he would frequently make reference to interventionist deities. It's possible that it's just turns of phrase that he inherited from the cultural mythos that he grew up in... but then again, it's also possible that he accepted at least part of said cultural mythos. In fact, it would be weird if it were any other way.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 01:56:21 PM EST
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