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Which recent French leader wasn't a mistake?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:03:15 PM EST
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Two electoral mistakes of this generation: Le Pen making it to the Presidential runoff in 2002, and Sarkozy winning in 2007.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:07:26 PM EST
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I assume Sarko.

Le Pen is an artifact of how democracy works here. The outcome was bad, but the process, I'm not ashamed of that, and the second round...what did Le Pen get?

No, that wasn't a mistake. Jospin would have been better than Chirac, but Chirac was better than what, for example, the Worker's Party in England was inflicting on Europe.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:14:22 PM EST
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Hey, Bush 2000 was an artifact of the way the electoral system wrks in the US - he actually lost that one.

The big mistake was his reelection - that's what Americans were making up for in 2008 when they elected Obama.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:18:54 PM EST
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"Better than Tory B. Liar" is a rather low bar to clear, though...

I think even "heckuva job" Brownie is able to do that...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:22:57 PM EST
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Chirac...that wasn't a mistake, that was a difference of opinion. And, btw, the french right via Chirac proved superior to the anglo left (Blair, Clinton et al)

Mitterand...Europe could do far worse than Mitterand, especially what he first tried (but what he proved was that in an integrated europe you can't do real socialism unless all of europe does. Lesson learned...and Prodi and Delors learned it well.)

Giscard? Again, difference of opinion, compared to the Thatcher the english came up with though...not the worst.

Pompidou? At least a famous wife, in many regards.... De Gaulle? At least he got english membership in the eec correctly. We're still paying the price for ignoring his veto.

How far am I supposed to go back?

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 04:11:24 PM EST
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The French elect much better leaders than the UK and the US.  It has EVERYTHING to do with their political system.  A scammer like Bush could never sniff the Presidency in France.
by paving on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 05:32:19 PM EST
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"The Americans elect much better leaders than the UK and France.  It has EVERYTHING to do with their political system.  A scammer like Sarkozy could never sniff the Presidency in the US."

OK, just to make a point.
Sarkozy is our mix between Cheney, Bush and Berlusconi. He is proof that we can elect just as bas as those countries.


Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Wed Jan 21st, 2009 at 12:44:40 AM EST
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VGE...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jan 20th, 2009 at 06:33:06 PM EST
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