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In an otherwise meandering and pointless essay Matt Frei exposes why the BBC are clueless wihen it comes to the USA.

Guardian - Matt Frei - Taming the cyber beast

The 2008 election was a popular insurrection against the paranoia, secrecy and high-handedness of the Bush era. It was also a shot fired across the bows of the Clintons and the mouldy scent of dynastic entitlement.

Yea, 2008 was all about the Clintons.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 02:38:30 PM EST
The Beeb is lost, I'm afraid.  Like I said, its people aren't even Villagers but simply useful idiots for the Villagers.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 02:52:41 PM EST
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also, I think the only serious TV news station left is Al Jazeera. It reminds me of American news reporting 25 years ago (yes, I can remember what it was like when I was six years old, because I was imitating my parents by watching it intently).

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 09:25:45 PM EST
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Yes, Al Jazeera is quite good.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 10:21:34 PM EST
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I'd add: It's sad to see the Guardian taking BBC correspondents seriously.  Are we going to be left with the Indie as the only sane newspaper?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 02:56:04 PM EST
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not for long I fear. The Indie is seriously ailing and may well go under this year.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 03:08:08 PM EST
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That's a shame.  Good paper.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 03:58:50 PM EST
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Lastly: Plus, you know how the Clintstones drive the press insane.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 03:02:41 PM EST
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When I see some detailed, argued criticism, like Jerome's of the FT, I might take some of this kind of stuff seriously.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 05:42:03 PM EST
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Far from being a "meandering and pointles essay" Frei's article is an intelligent reflection on how Obama has used the new media, the selected sentence is from this paragraph:


Since 9/11 Americans have been told that the so-called war on terror required the government to know everything about its citizens while they needed to know as little as possible about the process of government. It was a Faustian pact that both Democrats and Republicans always felt uncomfortable with. It nurtured the fungus of corruption in an administration that shunned accountability and invited the opposite of trust. The 2008 election was a popular insurrection against the paranoia, secrecy and high-handedness of the Bush era. It was also a shot fired across the bows of the Clintons and the mouldy scent of dynastic entitlement. Instead of Molotov cocktails and rocks these polite rebels used the web and the ballot. Barack Obama has created a friendly beast that roared for him and wants to be stroked. He will have a tough time keeping it tame.



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 05:53:03 PM EST
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Since 9/11 Americans have been told that the so-called war on terror required the government to know everything about its citizens while they needed to know as little as possible about the process of government. It was a Faustian pact that both Democrats and Republicans always felt uncomfortable with. It nurtured the fungus of corruption in an administration that shunned accountability and invited the opposite of trust. The 2008 election was a popular insurrection against the paranoia, secrecy and high-handedness of the Bush era. It was also a shot fired across the bows of the Clintons and the mouldy scent of dynastic entitlement.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

While plenty of people rejected Hillary on dynasty grounds, the elephant in the room remains Iraq.  Why people in the press are too stupid to get that, I've no idea, because it should be quite obvious.  Had Hillary voted against the war, she would probably be president right now.  There wouldn't have been any oxygen for Obama.

Here, too, is an example of the BBC as Useful Idiot to the Village problem, because it's an easy guess why the press here, with a few exceptions, refuses to acknowledge the role that Iraq played.  It would require the press to acknowledge how hopelessly out of touch it has become with the electorate.

The election was most certainly not "a popular insurrection against the paranoia and high-handedness of the Bush era."  It was a popular insurrection against what was, by any measure, a disastrous presidency.  Bush started off his second term by (1) trying to privatize Social Security, (2) trying to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case, and (3) surrendering New Orleans to the Gulf of Mexico.  All of which people found horrifying.  Then came the corruption scandals of the 2006 cycle, with Jack Abramoff and half the GOP getting caught.  By 2007 and 2008, the banks were failing.  By the time we got to the fall of 2008, things had gone completely to shit.  House prices were collapsing, people's 401(k)s were basically cut in half, the recession became one of the longest of the post-war era, etc.

It's not rocket science.  Things sucked, and the public decided GOP ideas were at least partly the cause of the suckage.  That's what normally happens when a party loses power, except to say that the degree to which Bush sucked was much greater.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jan 24th, 2009 at 09:57:39 PM EST
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The election wasn't a popular insurrection against anything. McCain did pretty well, considering that he is a zombie. If the Republicans had put up Romney they would have walked all over Obama...
by asdf on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:11:29 AM EST
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Nah.  Romney lacked McCain's indie cred, ran a terrible campaign, was generally kind of a joke of a candidate, and would've likely wound up roughly where McCain wound up.  You could run a dead guy these days and still get 45% on either side (unless you're running against John Ashcroft, of course, in which case you may actually win).

The only logic to Romney was Michigan, but Obama won Michigan by -- what, 16?  Doesn't matter who you put on the ballot.  Even Romney couldn't have overcome that.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:32:37 AM EST
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Romney would have been able to capitalize on his economic credibility (however fictional) in a way that would have introduced some real drama to the campaign come October.  Americans, remember, are quite stupid.
by paving on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:54:34 AM EST
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I highly doubt it.  The other problem with Romney is that a good chunk of the GOP didn't even buy his used-car salesman shtick.  While GOPers could hold their noses and vote McCain across the board, I think you'd find that, while Romney might've wound up getting only mildly embarrassed in Michigan and states, like Nevada, that have a fairly large number of Mormons (nearly all of whom vote GOP anyway), compared with what McCain suffered, he might well have lost them Georgia and Missouri.

Romney had serious problems in the South, for obvious reasons.  He did alright in Florida, which is much more secular than other states in the region, but he did quite poorly elsewhere.

To the economic point, I think you'd find Romney to be an even easier hit than McCain.  Romney also just happened to make his money by essentially gutting companies, fire workers, and selling them off.  Combine that with the fact that Romney's positions changed faster than anyone could keep up with, and that he was a pretty lousy debater (even by the pretty lousy standards of McCain and Obama), I think you would've found Romney flaming out in short order.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 11:46:45 AM EST
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...adding...I think another important point, as it relates to the general election, is the Latino vote.  Here's a point on which Bush was the only Republican with a clue and -- here's where McCain gets tossed out -- something of a spine, because he worked very hard to win Latinos.  The rest of the GOP's behavior towards them during the '08 cycle was truly disgusting, and, consequently, Obama grabbed nearly 70% of the Latino vote, compared with 53% for Kerry.

Romney's problem on that would've been much bigger than McCain's (maybe Obama at 80% instead of 68%), as Romney was second only to Tom Tancredo -- indeed, he received Tancredo's endorsement -- on the anti-Latino hatred.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 12:22:50 PM EST
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Re: Hilary

Excellent point Mr. Jones. She definitely lost me there. I vowed right then to never vote for anyone who was on that side of the aisle.

That and all the other points add up to: Another person with the same charisma as Obama, and the operation and nearly flawless campaign, but lacking the race issue, would have slaughtered McCain.  

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 01:34:45 AM EST
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and all the more amazed that McCain still got 46% of the vote.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 05:36:40 AM EST
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I agree, but, like I said throughout the year, I think that's more structural than anything.  Nobody's won the presidency by a margin of greater than 10 points since the '84 landslide.

The other thing I think is neglected: McCain was, throughout the GOP primary season, the only Republican who polled with ten of Obama.  Taking the myth of McCain the Maverick -- and don't forget that everything must be good news for John McCain -- and the fact that most Americans at least had some idea of who McCain was (while 70% of the country hadn't even heard of Obama until the primaries ramped up), I think it makes some sense.

McCain was the only one who had a prayer of not being completely humiliated.  Romney polled about 15 points behind Obama.  Huckabee polled about the same.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 11:34:36 AM EST
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when bushin30seconds.org started?

Now it´s up to 8 minutes without taking a breath:

http://troyshouse.blogspot.com/2009/01/8-years-of-bush-in-8-minutes.html  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 06:39:48 PM EST
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Ted Welch:
Since 9/11 Americans have been told that the so-called war on terror required the government to know everything about its citizens while they needed to know as little as possible about the process of government. It was a Faustian pact that both Democrats and Republicans always felt uncomfortable with.

This is a typical case of sneaking in bullshit. What kind of evidence does Matt Frei have that Republicans 'always felt uncomfortable' with this? Republicans always seemed perfectly at ease with it to me. They're happy when people are under surveillance and kept ignorant. I'm not even sure about a lot of Democrats.

Otherwise, it's a one sided piece that manages to miss both Howard Dean and the personal charisma side of Obama in discussing the way Obama used the internet in the elections. Its predictions are wrong: the 'beast' Obama created is entirely dependent upon Obama's infrastructure. If he chooses not to listen to his roots, they will dissipate and fall back to blogs, facebook groups and moveon.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 25th, 2009 at 03:36:16 AM EST
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