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I forgot about Knoppix, that friend of the lost hard drive. Thanks for referencing it, I keep a copy close to me every time :).

On Microsoft and data, NTFS has been dealt with, but if you need to share files without having trouble you can always use the old FAT32. I'm curious to see how Longhorn will change the situation.

I have to check Mandriva...

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 09:33:16 AM EST
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Add in Ophcrack for those days when A standalone machine user has forgotten their password.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 09:49:41 AM EST
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NTFS or Fat32 is not the issue, its file formats like Word .doc current and Word .doc 97 - 2002. Open Source software generates files in those formats that are not formatted correctly in Microsoft Word.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:14:34 AM EST
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Ok, I see the point. The thing is legislation is being produced to rule out the hypothesis of folk getting hostage to file formats. This is a big problem for the Public Administration, that in some cases has stranded itself by requiring information from citizens in proprietary formats.

In the long run this is a war commercial vendors will loose, at least in the Public Administration domain. And when the state starts universally requiring information in OpenDocument or other standard everyone will have to comply.

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:15:30 PM EST
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has to be open doc as the default file format too in all software, not just as an option.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 01:14:44 PM EST
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Microsoft cant even get word 2007 to translate to the old format properly.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 01:13:30 PM EST
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Tell me they really wanted it to.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 02:24:24 PM EST
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... easy to miss, it reads:
Microsoft cant even get word 2007 to translate to the old format properly.

When obviously you would have meant, "Microsoft can even get word 2007 to fail to translate to the old format properly."

You don't want the new machines with the new Microsoft Office to turn out documents that the old machines can easily read ... Microsoft has had various "features" to make it difficult to easily produce backwardly compatible files since Word 6.0 at least (before then I was using WordPerfect 5.1, but I assume they were doing the same tricks back before that as well).

It does double duty, first in getting organizations to upgrade across the board rather than "only those who need the new features", second, in interrupting the progress made by other applications in being able to both produce and consume Word and other Microsoft Office files.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 03:01:36 PM EST
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oh its worse than that. they appear to have broken the fonts beyond the european character sets between versions.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:06:18 PM EST
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... deliberate gamesmanship ... it might be the tremendous usability testing of corporate software development at work.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:08:39 PM EST
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Its one thing that you would think was difficult to get wrong. it means that any non european language document becomes broken with the new version. Pretty hard for that to slip past corporate testers. (I know because in my past I was one)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:22:12 PM EST
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But of course, assuming a direct relationship between identifying a problem and fixing the problem contradicts the assumption of usability testing being run by a large corporation.

If the change underneath breaking backward compatibility was made early enough (on what that department thought were sound grounds) to be deeply embedded in the new code, and the broken compatibility was uncovered late enough in usability testing, then its a corporate decision regarding the cost of fixing the problem, including slipping release dates, and the cost of retaining the problem.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Jan 31st, 2009 at 08:50:46 AM EST
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well the cost of this roblem would be a lack of sales outside much of the non english speaking world, all of your old documents would need major conversion work rather than just something simple that can be done in a couple of minutes. What possible sound grounds can there be for reorganising the layout table for fonts?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jan 31st, 2009 at 12:07:09 PM EST
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