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I'm moving to Madrid. I'll be taking my stuff by van and thatbritguy has kindly agreed to accompany me in my journey. I fugured with two drivers you can share driving time, you have a copilot to read maps and give you conversation, and so on. I'll then fly him back.

As there are no ferries from the English South Coast to Northern Spain in January, we'll be driving through France.

We should be around Paris on the evening of the 16th. Who's available for dinner? Can someone put us up? afew?

We should drive to southern France on the 17th... again, any offers to put us up for the night?

We'll probably have a chance to stop in Barcelona and see kcurie on the 18th.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:50:55 PM EST
Enjoy the journey.  Any chance of photos?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:55:38 PM EST
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Um, I left my point-and-click camera in Madrid... But I have a phone...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:57:02 PM EST
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Apartment way to small to put you up, maybe available for dinner - if you stay around Paris for the night, try to get some private parking...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:58:47 PM EST
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I was thinking that redstar lives outside Paris so it might be a good place to leave the car...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:00:53 PM EST
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Wow, sounds like you guys have all the makings for a road movie!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:00:29 PM EST
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Move over, Kerouac.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:02:00 PM EST
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Just don't name your van "Furthur" or we're going to start to get really really worried.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:00:11 PM EST
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Ha. Done.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:11:12 PM EST
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Jeez, you'd better get cracking with your Day-Glo paints then. You've got just a week to do your entire vehicle.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:51:48 PM EST
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Huh ? I thought it was ceebs going with you.

I'd have gone, but the social security don't like you buggering off to spain when you're receving benefits.

ps afew is near Toulouse, not Paris

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:09:12 PM EST
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True, I meant to put the "afew?" after the "southern france" bit.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:36:38 PM EST
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Well somewhere in the packing  of my things in my last move, my passport has gone into hiding, amongst other things.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:59:03 PM EST
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Say Helen, how was your interview today?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:02:21 PM EST
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It was very quick and superficial.

It's for a temporary job of just two weeks paying minimum wage so they don't really want anything special. however she admitted she's had a lot of interest (there's a lot of need out there) and I will be informed monday or tuesday if I've got the job. If I don't get it I won't mind cos it's such a short contract.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:06:50 PM EST
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I'll keep my fingers crossed.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:42:02 AM EST
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Good luck on the move.  I imagine the change in weather should be nice.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:09:39 PM EST
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Should we all chip in for a film crew?  This could be good.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:24:04 PM EST
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Hmm, I could always claim the video camera...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:42:56 PM EST
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I predict it will be less a Kerouac road movie, and more like 'Smart and Smarter" starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:23:00 PM EST
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Now thats a film I know I'd pay to see (Unlike Australia, which I saw this week and was spectacularly poor).

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:46:52 PM EST
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Was it really that bad?  They raved and raved and raved about it and then it came out and everyone went "oh".

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:02:15 PM EST
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Well theres a complete film in the first half, a full story, albeit disjointed and jumbled, then theres another hour and a half to go....

the acting wooden, the characters stereotypes, the lead actress appears physically incapable of acting, (or even changing her expression) there might be some eyecandy for the ladies in Mr Jackman with his top off. but far too many lingering shots of single tears running down the faces of characters in substitute for any meat to the story.

There are some stunning landscape shots, but rip them out please and put them into a 2 minute Australian tourist board advert.

the second half of the film hangs together better as a story, but is rather let down by yet more bad acting and a poorselection of unrealistic looking special effects. (and after the first half you dont really care about the characters).

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:15:56 PM EST
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Nicole Kidman at her worst?  I don't like her as an actress at all.  Too much botox too.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:17:13 PM EST
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I was trying to avoid saying that.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:19:28 PM EST
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She was good in The Others and The Hours. I don't really like her otherwise.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:27:19 PM EST
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I enjoyed The Hours but I rarely like her in anything.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:31:42 PM EST
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I like Kidman a bit more than you guys, I guess. For instance, in Von Trier's Dogville. I think she's good when she has a good director. Or at least was. Perhaps botox has ruined her (there are psychological repercussions to fixating one's expression).

Kidman was at her best in Eyes Wide Shut, though that was a case of typecasting.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:19:52 AM EST
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Yes, I've felt that EWS was a highlight - but I'd have to agree that typecasting was a major effect.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:57:46 AM EST
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You mean there's a "best" to her?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:43:08 AM EST
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I think there is a 'slightly less awful'.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:50:26 AM EST
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Well, if you can discern such a minute difference my hat's off to you!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:51:21 AM EST
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I hope the weather is better for your trip - lots of France is having big transport problems with the cold - even in the south:

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As one resident said: "This is not Marseille" - skiing by the port ! :-)

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Even in Nice there's light snow on the hills:

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Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:20:23 PM EST
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Aix had 20 cms and all the schools closed.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:23:59 PM EST
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This did cross my mind, because trying to drive through snow and ice would probably be suicidal.

But there's a thaw forecast for next week.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:39:11 PM EST
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You'll want to check out the mountain passes crossing into Spain.

Sounds like you're heading south then across at Perpignan-Barcelona, which is probably good.  The passes in the Basque country and Navarra have been closed the last couple of days.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:18:07 PM EST
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I was banking on dual carriageways all the way...

Is taking the Lyon route to Perpignan better than going south through the Massif Central to Toulouse and then Perpignan?

Crossing the Pyrinees from Toulouse into Aragó to Zaragoza would indeed be suicidal this time of year.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:25:34 PM EST
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Unless you were bringing a pristine copy of the Saragossa Manuscript.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:53:52 PM EST
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Apparently the reference was lost, but there really was a point to the comment.  I've seen the film and it's awesome.

The Manuscript Found in Saragossa.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:00:07 AM EST
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As a result, Fillon is finding the unpreparedness to clean the snow "scandalous" and thinks things need to be done about it...

Spending millions on preventing two days of snow every ten years is waste, but appearing on the TV too important...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:20:30 AM EST
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If you go through Lyon, I can host you for the night and we could have dinner together.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:32:40 PM EST
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It looks like we might be going through Lyon. However, while we could push all the way to Lyon on the first day and skip Paris, it a stop around Paris seems more likely. We would then see you in Lyon for lunch and head south? Unfortunately, if wouldn't be wise to enjoy a heavy Lyonnais meal since we'd have to get on the road and we don't want to fall asleep at the wheel during our digestion.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:15:45 AM EST
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Lunch is OK, and you could take a nap in Lyon afterwards... ;-)

In any case, don't expect me to take you to a faste-food joint...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:09:20 AM EST
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Not fast food, but a light meal :-)


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:26:22 AM EST
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I could put you up and feed you both on the 16th- 50 km south of Paris.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:58:08 PM EST
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Very nice house, and the host is very nice !

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:17:26 AM EST
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We could do that instead of staying in Paris: we'd stop in Paris for en early dinner and go on to LEP's

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:24:15 AM EST
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I'm going to be in Paris on Wednesday to celebrate Raphael's 18th. If you have room in your van I could stay in Paris for two nights and return with you on Friday evening, or you could follow me home if I have my car.
Where are you thinking of dining? If it appears too late to eat in Paris, we could have dinner at my house.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:48:46 AM EST
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We have an 11:10 ferry crossing. We should be in Paris fairly early (4pm or so?) so it looks like an early ET dinner and then off to your house. This would shave one hour off the next day's drive which is a very good thing.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:53:44 AM EST
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So where are you staying, in the end?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:37:44 AM EST
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As of right now I think staying with LEP works best. I think I'm trying to make it to just north of Barcelona (where amanda2006 lives) in the second day, so leaving from 1h south of Paris is best.

How would that work for an ET early dinner on Friday evening?


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:48:05 AM EST
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you're both welcome to stay with us. the boss agrees ;)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:05:05 PM EST
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