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Male showers, female showers, get over your homophobia, should be the policy.

Well , all tho I am a member of the older generation and am a little bit conservative in these matters I do not believe I am homophobic.I was young at the time of "sexual revolution" haha. As for me everyone can freely be what ever he/she feels like but when it comes to a public matters I prefer discretion...and privacy.
Army is a "public place".Not everyone would be comfortable in that situation.Knowing what a hellish road guy people had to go trough to this day to come where they are today I still would like little bit more consideration for wishes of straight people in public situations on behalf of guy community...
But I really do not want to start debate about all this...
by vbo on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 07:55:04 AM EST
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In that case you should also forbid gays from practising any sport (or at least from taking showers and changing in the public locker rooms).

What is it? Do people think they are going to be hit on by gay people just because they're nude?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:21:04 AM EST
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The issue is that if there are mixed showers for gay and straight people, then what is the argument against female & male mixed showers? Having lived in a gender-neutral college dormitory, it's not a problem for me, but for the military this would be a huge step to take...
by asdf on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:42:59 AM EST
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In that case you should also forbid gays from practising any sport (or at least from taking showers and changing in the public locker rooms).
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Well NO, but I actually think that all that "pushing" and unnecessary show of guy's (not gay's) nudity in sport's locker rooms is actually bad taste...
Well I don't know...as I said I wouldn't like to start debate about it...
I just feel that everyone's feelings should be taken in to the consideration...Straight people's too.
by vbo on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:47:36 AM EST
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I actually think that all that "pushing" and unnecessary show of guy's (not gay's) nudity in sport's locker rooms is actually bad taste...

So you're objecting to heterosexual behaviour in male locker rooms ? And youthful too, cos my memory was that it was really just schoolboy stuff. However, I don't think anybody is forcing you to take part in anything you find distasteful and it seems that communal changing facilities ring that bell for you. Okay, cool.

But I'm not sure it has anythig to do with guys, straight or gay, changing together generally. Most gay guys manage to get through their days without shagging the nearest male they can put their hands on, in fact given societies general distaste, gay guys are usually much more discreet (not always, cottagers are pathetic) and much much more in control of their desires than heteros. Gay guys rarely harrass f'rinstance.

So, what you're circling around without saying it is a variant of the gay panic defence, which is the hetero guys variant of the feminist attack on teh trans. It's kinda old and very very tired, not to say tiresome, but if that's where you are, then that's where you are.

Let's just say most of us are so over it and move on.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 10:46:52 AM EST
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So you're objecting to heterosexual behaviour in male locker rooms ? And youthful too, cos my memory was that it was really just schoolboy stuff.

You may be right.While I may excuse teenagers I find that  when adults are involved in that kind of 'show' FOR ME it's distasteful.

However, I don't think anybody is forcing you to take part in anything you find distasteful and it seems that communal changing facilities ring that bell for you. Okay, cool.

This is not a point. As asdf said :

"The issue is that if there are mixed showers for gay and straight people, then what is the argument against female & male mixed showers?"

Most gay guys manage to get through their days without shagging the nearest male they can put their hands on, in fact given societies general distaste, gay guys are usually much more discreet (not always, cottagers are pathetic) and much much more in control of their desires than heteros. Gay guys rarely harrass f'rinstance.

I don't know but I'll take this as truthful.Still some people may feel diferent.

Let's just say most of us are so over it and move on.

 I am glad for you. But what did you think by "most of us"? Here on ET? OK. Just bear in mind that there are SOME (and in the Army probably the the most) who may not be "over it".
This is what bothers me with "most of you" "progressives". No tolerance for others who may not feel or think like you. All though I am not that "progressive" I can live with people that are.
by vbo on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:15:33 PM EST
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Well NO, but I actually think that all that "pushing" and unnecessary show of guy's (not gay's) nudity in sport's locker rooms is actually bad taste...

WTF? All what pushing? All what unnecessary nudity? What sort of guys changing rooms have you been hanging around in?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 11:09:31 AM EST
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All what unnecessary nudity? What sort of guys changing rooms have you been hanging around in?

Hahaha...I of course did not hang out in guys changing rooms (even when I was younger) but I saw it in the movies regularly so I supposed it's a regular thing. In reality Helen may be right, maybe it's just a high school thingy. But that kind of "show" can be excused for teenagers all tho when adult are involved FOR ME it looks like a bad taste. But that's just me. I allow others to feel different...
by vbo on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 07:52:48 PM EST
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Sorry it should be "gay" not guy...
by vbo on Thu Jan 15th, 2009 at 08:56:25 AM EST
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