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I used to cross swords with Irwin Steltzer on his Timesonline Blog but gave up when he wouldn't respond or even address the issues raised.  He always struck me as a not particularly bright representative of the Neo-con genre - always making out to be a player and yet saying things publicly that no real player would give away - like the very obviously contemptuous tone of his piece above:  Not a very smart way to get even atlanticists feeling comfortable with the relationship.

I cannot believe his intervention now is part ot the Bliar PR strategy.  Blair needs people to be reminded of his "lap dog" status within Neo-con circles like he needs a hole in the head.  Having avowed Eurosceptics sing your praises must be the stupidist election strategy I ever heard.  Does Europe want to become a lapdog like Blair is the implicit offer - one I suspect even European Conservatives - with the exception of Berlusconi - will not want to be associated with.

Berlsconi's support should be enough to kill off any candidacy, but what are the Eastern European states saying - particularly those looking to NATO for security.  If Blair cannot dredge up support there he is lost.  Vaclav Klaus is also giving such naked nationalism a bad name.  The odds on a Mary Robinson type candidate must be shortening...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:13:27 AM EST
From the Consolidated version of the Lisbon Treaty:
The European Council shall elect its President, by a qualified majority, for a term of two and a half years, renewable once. In the event of an impediment or serious misconduct, the European Council can end the President's term of office in accordance with the same procedure.

...

As from 1 November 2014, a qualified majority shall be defined as at least 55 % of the members of the Council, comprising at least fifteen of them and representing Member States comprising at least 65 % of the population of the Union.
A blocking minority must include at least four Council members, failing which the qualified majority shall be deemed attained.
The other arrangements governing the qualified majority are laid down in Article 238(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

The transitional provisions relating to the definition of the qualified majority which shall be applicable until 31 October 2014 and those which shall be applicable from 1 November 2014 to 31 March 2017 are laid down in the Protocol on transitional provisions.

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Until 31 October 2014, the following provisions shall remain in force, without prejudice to the second subparagraph of Article 235(1) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
For acts of the European Council and of the Council requiring a qualified majority, members' votes shall be weighted as follows:
Belgium 12
Bulgaria 10
Czech Republic 12
Denmark 7
Germany 29
Estonia 4
Ireland 7
Greece 12
Spain 27
France 29
Italy 29
Cyprus 4
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Luxembourg 4
Hungary 12
Malta 3
Netherlands 13
Austria 10
Poland 27
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovenia 4
Slovakia 7
Finland 7
Sweden 10
United Kingdom 29
Acts shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing a majority of the members where, under the Treaties, they must be adopted on a proposal from the Commission. In other cases decisions shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing at least two thirds of the
members.
A member of the European Council or the Council may request that, where an act is adopted by the European Council or the Council by a qualified majority, a check is made to ensure that the Member States comprising the qualified majority represent at least 62 % of the total population of the Union. If that proves not to be the case, the act shall not be adopted.

Do we have a scorecard? Who's voting for Blair?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:50:38 AM EST
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From the coverage I've seen on ET, this is what I'd lay book on if I were a bookie.

Against:
Luxembourg 4

Unlikely:
Belgium 12
Germany 29
Greece 12
Spain 27
Netherlands 13
Sweden 10
Poland 27

Probable:
Denmark 7

Supporting:
Italy 29
United Kingdom 29

Unknown:
Bulgaria 10
Czech Republic 12
Estonia 4
France 29
Ireland 7
Cyprus 4
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Hungary 12
Malta 3
Austria 10
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovenia 4
Slovakia 7
Finland 7

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:06:03 AM EST
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I'd say Austria should be unlikely.

nanne:

ORF: Faymann gegen Blair als EU-Ratspräsidenten
Bundeskanzler Werner Faymann (SPÖ) hat sich heute klar gegen die Berufung des früheren britischen Premierministers Tony Blair zum EU-Ratspräsidenten ausgesprochen. Er begründete das mit Blairs engem politischen Verhältnis zum früheren US-Präsidenten George W. Bush.

Der Kandidat für diesen Posten solle die Sozialdemokratie widerspiegeln, sagte Faymann heute beim Parteitag der Salzburger SPÖ in Zell am See, aber: "Wir brauchen einen Kandidaten, der nicht für Bush ist, sondern für Obama."


This is the most direct statement of opposition to Blair yet -- by a government leader. Also, some more from Fischler (former Commissioner) in the piece. No time to translate, but I think you get the gist. h/t to Quatremer


Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:21:02 AM EST
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But wouldn't it be nice to have a candidate who is for Europe, not simply for the right American President?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:24:30 AM EST
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That's just crazy-talk.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:01:16 AM EST
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Let's be generous, that's a clear Against.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:38:01 AM EST
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Finland, having an unannounced candidate itself, could also be placed in the unlikely bin.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:40:43 AM EST
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Regrettably Cowen said he was for Blair - in recognition of Blairs contribution to the Peace Process.  However that was before Mary Robinson started getting popular traction, and Cowen would not want to be seen as supporting a foreign nominee against an Irish (albeit ex-Labour) candidate.  Expect to see some trimming if Mary does actually get some foreign Governmental support - the key requirement for any candidate to be deemed "serious".

So at this stage, you should probably put Ireland in the "Probably" for Blair camp - at least on a first count - unless at least one other country nominates Robinson.  I would be surprised if Irish diplomats weren't taking the temperature at this point.  No one wants to be associated with a loser - especially if there was a home town candidate on offer.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:18:33 AM EST
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Against 14
Austria 10
Luxembourg 4

Unlikely 137
Belgium 12
Finland 7
Germany 29
Greece 12
Netherlands 13
Poland 27
Spain 27
Sweden 10

Likely 14
Denmark 7
Ireland 7

For 58
Italy 29
United Kingdom 29

Unknown 122
Cyprus 4
Czech Republic 12
Bulgaria 10
Estonia 4
France 29
Hungary 12
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Malta 3
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovakia 7
Slovenia 4

Total 345

Needed to win: 255 votes from 18 different states and 62% of the population
Blocking minorities consist of: 111 votes or 10 member states or 39% of the population.

Blair seems to be far away from his goal.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:46:10 AM EST
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Are you using the right voting weights? I thought Germany would have more votes under Lisbon?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:51:28 AM EST
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See upthread, this is from the "protocols" to the consolidated treaty.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:05:57 AM EST
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IIRC this was originally a concession to Poland.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:47:47 AM EST
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Heh, I completely missed that the PotEC would be a QMV post. Well, that makes our coverage more interesting.

Poland got the new voting weights postponed to 2014, or something.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:07:52 AM EST
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Migeru:
Blocking minorities consist of: 111 votes
Erm... make that 91.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:13:27 AM EST
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How about a diary on this?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:40:51 AM EST
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Good idea. With updates and periodic bumps?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:24:47 AM EST
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We need graphs of course, or this would not be ET.
by Nomad on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:35:16 AM EST
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I don't quite imagine there's a bunch of brilliant PR boys sitting there saying "Next we'll have Berlusconi and Stelzer"! I think the first rollout of a (definitely organized) campaign has fallen on bad times. There's no doubt a wish to keep hold of the media cycle, hence the Paddy Power rubbish, but there's not much to go on. Berlusconi fills a gap (look at Google News for "Blair president" in the Search box - compare Tuesday's which had a majority of anti-Blair stories).

The Economist and Stelzer are making Blair noise too, though their effect on European opinion at popular or governmental levels is quite possibly negative. That's really my point. In the effort to keep "Blair favourite" on the boil, they've run out of firewood. But it's also possible that even weak pro-Blair stories are considered better than yielding ground to anti-Blair stories.

And you can bet we'll hear more "leave Tony alone", "why all this hatred?", "stop Blair-baiting" stories.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:13:30 AM EST
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The Economist and Stelzer are making Blair noise too, though their effect on European opinion at popular or governmental levels is quite possibly negative.

I'm not sure about the negativity of the governmental level effect of The Economist... It probably brought out Faymann's reaction, but the question is the new members and Portugal.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:43:51 AM EST
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will open a book on two snails sliming up a wall if there is public interest or a potential market.  The fact they have done so demonstrates the public interest, and the odds on offer give a sense of where the money is being laid based on current public perceptions - within their market - i.e. mostly UK and Ireland.

Thus looking at how those odds change over time will be one indicator of how public perceptions are changing (and perhaps also some semi-informed insider trading).

The very fact that Mary Robinson is on the list at the present time is a good start.  Lets see how the odds change...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:24:07 AM EST
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Sure Paddy Power will offer odds on anything. But on half a field of non-starters, and with a possible front-runner missing? If they did that in horse-racing they'd be up in court.

It's also the use made of it by one or two eager beavers in the political press, who didn't even notice there was anything wrong with Paddy Power's crap.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:48:50 AM EST
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afew:
But on half a field of non-starters, and with a possible front-runner missing? If they did that in horse-racing they'd be up in court.

Not at all.  The runners haven't been declared yet and anyone can propose anyone at the moment - Mary Robinson probably coming from left field as far as many Heads of Government are concerned.  The fact that Lipponen isn't mentioned merely means few in Ireland/UK have heard of him and none have asked to lay a bet. (There's an opening for you - you'll get good odds on a first bet...;-))

The fact that this qualifies as "news" on a slow news day in the MSM (which repeats the "President of Europe" crap) says more about the MSM than the PP marketing strategy which specialises in quirky news attention grabbing stunts.  It's in the entertainment business, not Europolitics, and shouldn't be taken any more seriously than that.  

I suspect the MSM seized on it because it does offer some kind of list and some way of measuring the relative perceived chances of many of the key players - late entrants notwithstanding.  As I said above it will be interesting to see how the odds change based on where the bets are laid based on what the MSM say based on what some would be insiders say based on what some insiders may or may not have said.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 12:10:44 PM EST
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It's not of much interest why PP did it, except that a spokesperson said reading the newspapers and making an educated guess was how they arrived at their pile of crap. In other words, that was an opening list and quite possibly they hadn't received any money on most of the "field". (Have you read the exchange linked to in the diary and followed the links?)

As for the "political commentary" people that featured it, I don't think people who are paid to do political analysis and commentary are unaware of what they are doing.

interesting to see how the odds change

Can you be serious?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 02:46:02 PM EST
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If you check their other bets, you'll see that they have one for the next Pope, with odds 1000:1 for Bono. I think that says it all....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:27:32 AM EST
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