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I'm betting on Rio.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 09:44:20 AM EST
As a true-blue Muddy Waters fan who was Born in Chicago, and knowing that the Olympic Committee often (well, never) seems to track AWEA conference sites, i'm betting on...

Rio.

But can anyone afford to diss B Hussein Obama?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 09:50:08 AM EST
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Well, wonder if he will also fly to Copenhagen for the Climat Conference?!

Well, looking at what he has done since January, I would say the saying:"Er kocht auch nur mit Wasser", would apply to him. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 09:58:20 AM EST
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Ms Obama (of the WH garden storm-troops) sez:

"I just think, wouldn't it be great if that kind of spirit was happening right down the street in our community? Just think of that. Kids and communities across the city, in Austin, kids who grew up in Cabrini, kids who live so far from the city. Now just imagine if all of that was happening right in their own backyard. That's what I think about."

"It does something to a kid when they can feel that energy and power up close and personal. And for some kids in our communities and our city, around the nation, around the world, they can never dream of being that close to such power and opportunity. So that's what excites me most about bringing the Games to Chicago."

Mr Thayer sez:

Facing sullen opposition to the games - highlighted when many school principals revolted against a school board edict to have the schools fly flags supporting the bid - Mayor Daley pledged that the Games would not cost the taxpayers a dime.  The reality is that if Chicago gets these games, and even if there is no massive fraud and sweetheart contracts (a truly ridiculous "if" in this city and state!), City taxpayers will pay for them - the 84 per cent opposed to such funding be damned.

First to be tapped will be the hidden sources - the TIFF funds which have siphoned off property tax revenue for years.  Originally set up supposedly to help impoverished areas of the City be redeveloped, for years the TIFF districts have deprived the city's schools, libraries and other social services of money by putting huge amounts of city revenue into slush funds which the mayor and his allies have in turn doled out to large private businesses owned and controlled by mayoral allies - Boeing, United Airlines and Borders Bookstore, to name a few....

A crucial factor ignored by most of the popular press accounts of the Chicago bid is that its wildly optimistic financial projections were written up before the depths of the current recession became apparent.  So the Chicago boosters are projecting record ticket revenue from the Games - surpassing all previous ones.  They are projecting record donations by charitable organizations.  Record corporate donations for naming rights.  Seamless sale of the Olympic village facility by the private market following the Games, and no problem raising private capital for the construction.

Ms Jarrett sez:

Jarrett said an apt comparison to Chicago's IOC campaign would be the Iowa caucus. Obama's 2008 Iowa caucus win paved the way for his election as president. The Iowa caucus required intense, personal campaigning--much like the final sprint to lobby the IOC members.

Said Jarrett, "The Iowa caucus, where you can have more than one round and every single vote counts and it is very retail and you have to earn the trust and confidence of every single person you can and that's where our effort will be....it is very germane in the home stretch."

And "she never met with HUD officials about Olympic housing issues" such as public-private partnership redevlopment financing, or HOPE IV dregs. So there. More important:

[T]his new ambassadorial mission suggests the Obama White House is happy to milk the global community's overwhelming sense of goodwill toward Michelle. During her summer trip to France, Germany, England and Ghana, the focus was on fashion.


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by Cat on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 11:52:04 AM EST
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Brazil, South America has never got the Olympics yet.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:28:20 PM EST
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yup, my bet's on lula too. (most deserving, imo).

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:41:31 PM EST
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On top of that Madrid would meen two European Olympics in a row, which I wouldnt have thought them keen on. Im surprised that Madrid wasnt first out to be honest.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:45:30 PM EST
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just saw a few frames from the madrid video, um, maybe those smoggy sunset shots weren't such a cool idea?

stand for the anthem, ugh, these pieces of music make me want to hurl... pomp and fripper moozak... get on with it...

here we go...deep breath...yay!1!!!!!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:50:55 PM EST
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Hey, pal, that's "Barack 'The Islamic Shock' Hussein Superallah Obama" to you. ;)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:20:07 PM EST
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Honing your expertise at the WWF bouts, eh?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 01:32:00 PM EST
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Hey, it's good to have options in this economy.  What can I say?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:21:09 PM EST
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Your were right - Brazil won! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 12:53:58 PM EST
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except that Rio is in America, isn't it.  south America.  Heh, the fuss over here is amazing.  don't you guys get it, we are ready to lead you again. we are ready and have a shiny new president who really is smart this time.

Over at the orange place they actually have a piece up about this being "anti-Americanism" and another about Obama not being socialist enough for the IOC.  Hell the last on is probably true, he ain't socialist enough for me, either.

Howdy all.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 01:50:38 PM EST
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I really can't get excited about hosting the Olympics and don't understand why it's such a big deal.  It's expensive, and nobody watches it in America, so is it really a big loss?  (Yes, perhaps it's sad, because we really do have some amazing athletes who deserve attention, but still....)  Wasn't 2008 the least-watched Olympics in the history of American broadcasting?  Hockey and soccer have safe little niche markets, as I understand it.  Baseball is dying and has become mind-numbingly stupid with the same half-dozen teams dominating year-to-year.  I think basketball has begun its decline already (but don't quote me on that).

We only really watch football, anyway, so why be so upset?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:30:28 PM EST
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Actually, the only diary I see on it is calling the wingers anti-American for cheering the fact that Chicago lost, but I don't see anything about the IOC.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:32:30 PM EST
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by NearlyNormal on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:41:09 PM EST
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Ah, okay, fair enough.  But, really, both diarists received -- what, 3 tips?  Strikes me as pretty ridiculous to pretend as though this isa widespead, let alone the general, reaction.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:47:42 PM EST
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don't think I pretended that.  There are two diaries at the top of the rec list that are filled with the same types of comments, and in my comment above I indicated that these were just two of the diaries.  The ones at the top have over a thousand comments.  

Strikes me as pretty ridiculous to pretend that I'm saying this is the only thing being talked about at all.  But I do think the fuss is amazing, maybe you don't.  Seems like you have a little burr under your saddle, which would be odd for you, but whatever.  Just don't say you went and looked and what I said was there, wasn't there.  If you'd really gone and looked you would have seen the diaries since they were still in the queue when I went back and linked them.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 02:59:54 PM EST
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That's a pretty strong reaction over what I thought was a mild criticism.  Journeying back, you said:

Blatant anti-Americanism, except that Rio is in America, isn't it.  south America.  Heh, the fuss over here is amazing.  don't you guys get it, we are ready to lead you again. we are ready and have a shiny new president who really is smart this time.

...which, taken with the comment on dKos, suggested to me that you're were portraying that as the general theme of the reaction.

If not, then okay, I misread you.  I did go and look, and I didn't see it.  I didn't say it wasn't there.  How you took that to mean me saying, "ZOMGLIAR," I don't know.

I assure you I'm not the one with the burr under my saddle.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 03:17:21 PM EST
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Hey !! Is it grumpy day on ET ?

Remember what Sarge said "Let's be careful out there"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 03:21:42 PM EST
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Well it was probably the "pretty ridiculous" part coupled with the statement that you went and looked and it wasn't there.  If you read the first paragraph it was more of a general comment than just dkos, all the people around where I worked were making comments.

Anyway, like I said above I thought it was unlike you to get your panties in a bunch and start parsing words but....

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 03:29:07 PM EST
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And it still seems to be going on.  From Orange, himself:

"So when did wingnuts start cheering against America? Their unbridled joy at losing out to Brazil is a bit unseemly, isn't it? "America, fuck yeah!" has become "Fuck America, Yeah!"

While Chicago likely lost mostly because the country has hosted plenty of Olympics and South America never has, and because of lingering anti-American sentiment, this certainly didn't help:"

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 03:31:58 PM EST
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On the first one, I'd say it's more of a wise-ass tone of "Gosh, I thought the wingers were all about Amurka?"

The second, yeah, I'm mostly with you on.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 04:22:03 PM EST
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For the wingers its "Any thing Our Black President is for, I'm against."

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 04:46:58 PM EST
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I must say I find it amazing that as an European website we are discussing the US disappointment in such detail, but nobody sofar found it necessary to mention that the Spanish might be disappointed too that Madrid lost out.

Wonder how they are dealing with their disappointment?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 05:17:02 PM EST
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They were at least runners-up.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 05:26:02 PM EST
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Well, the summer Olympics were already held in Spain not so long ago: Barcelona 1992.

Oh wait, 17 years ago? ZOMG! Time flies...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 05:38:47 PM EST
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Barcelona isn't Spain.

Well - it is. But not like Madrid is.

And don't they speak Spanish in Rio? Or Portugese? Or Brazilian? Or something?

Seriously - I'm glad Rio won. Rio will turn the Olympics into a carnival, which could be a very fun thing.

Chicago would have been dutifully pomped-up in a ya gotta compete kind of a way, but it would have been about the bennies, not the fun, and that would have been a shame.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 06:05:54 PM EST
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Barcelona isn't Spain.

Well - it is. But not like Madrid is.

José María Aznar, I command you to leave TBG's body!

Seriously, one of the most hair-raising things I heard about Madrid's olympic bid, from the mouth of some PPer or other, was "it's about time we had a Spanish olympics". It gave me nightmares of opening and closing ceremonies full of Jurassic dandruff, Carpetovetonic parodies, fanfare and tambourines, people dancing on a tile, and flamenco.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 07:43:24 PM EST
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Hopefully the dissapointed will not be packing Madrid Airport in the morning. My father flies in then to catch the train from there up to Burgos to do the final 200 miles of the 600 mile pilgrimage he has been doing in 200 mile steps for the last three years. This year is the flat and boring middle section. and then the final fifty miles out to the coast.

However things have been complicated this year by whichever cheap airline flies to the north of Spain moving its flight day from Sunday to Tuesday, and so to fit things in Much rail and Flights via Madrid will be part of the trip.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 07:57:54 PM EST
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LOL. For the word "Carpetovetonic", your comment is N° 2 in Google.

I think this is the way to organize the Olympics. It could become a kind of Eurovision Song Contest. We could have voting scandals on the Jurassic dandruff etc. The Eastern bloc would get up to its usual tricks, and no one would ever vote for America, which would cause high melodrama. Great.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 02:00:42 AM EST
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I also hold #2 for Carpetovetonian.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 05:34:16 AM EST
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I get you at No.7, but all but one of those ahead of you are in Spanish.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 05:41:31 AM EST
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