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Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (4.00 / 4)

Last surviving leader of the Jewish revolt in Warsaw.

by rootless2 on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 11:13:07 PM EST

Re: Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (4.00 / 2)

Two excerpts from obituries, From Ha'aretz (Hebrew edition)

הארגון התנגד לציונות וראה הכרח היסטורי בקיום יהודי במדינות המוצא.		The organization [Bund] was opposed to Zionism, and saw a historical neccessity to maintain a Jewish existence in the countries of origin
אדלמן העלה על הכתב את זיכרונותיו, שהתפרסמו מיד עם תוך המלחמה בפולנית, ובתוך זמן קצר - בחמש שפות נוספות. רק כעבור 56 שנים תורגם הטקסט לעברית		Edelman wrote his memoires, that were published immediately after the war in Polish, and, after a short time, in five additional languages. They were translated into Hebrew only 56 years later.

Ha'aretz, English edition.

The organization was known in part for being anti-Zionist, believing that Jews must assert themselves as a part of the societies of the countries of origin.
[...]
Edelman's memoirs were later translated into six languages, including Hebrew.

To be fair, the very detailed NYT obituary doesn't mention any of this.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 04:33:33 AM EST
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Re: Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (none / 0)

Founding myths and all. Do you remember Ezer Weizman declaring that he cannot understand how Jews can live in Germany today?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 04:42:09 AM EST
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Re: Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (none / 0)

Well in all fairness, the Bund was shown to have a poor historical analysis: if they had encouraged emigration, more Jews would have survived. And Edelman's wife and children left Poland in 1968 during the wave of anti-semitic activity by the Communist government.

by rootless2 on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 09:36:45 AM EST
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Re: Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (none / 0)

How is that "poor historical analysis"?...

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 11:39:09 AM EST
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Re: Marke Edelman is dead at 90 (none / 0)

In the 1930s the Zionists argued that Europe would get progressively less safe for Jews and that only a state and an army would prevent more and bigger pograms. The Bund argued that the future of the Jews was as part of the socialist revolution.

Objectively, the Zionists were right.

by rootless2 on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 12:58:52 PM EST
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Re: Marek Edelman is dead at 90 (none / 0)

Or more right, anyways. The "move to America/Australia/South Africa/South America" people were also right. The Bund and the people waiting for the messiah were equivalently and tragically incorrect.

by rootless2 on Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 at 01:32:16 PM EST
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