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As long as you're not the one who have to finance the better pension with your tax money. :P

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 08:43:27 AM EST
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But I have to finance the pensions with my taxes anyway.

The fact that those taxes are currently collected by the stock exchange does not mean that they are not collected. It only means that the administrative overhead is greater, and introduces a couple of extra middlemen who have to get a cut.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 08:56:14 AM EST
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But I have to finance the pensions with my taxes anyway.

No you don't, and with a system where everyone (forcibly) saves money for her own account, you do not have to deal with the intergenerational problems and imbalances arising from a change in the age structure.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 09:25:50 AM EST
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The point is that, if you have a system where people expect x% of GDP to be paid out to pensioners, it doesn't matter whether the x% of GDP is obtained from taxes or from the capital markets. In fact, the capital markets have higher overhead costs.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 09:33:25 AM EST
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I doubt it. Demographical change seems to be far more damaging to the saving strategy than to public pensions. If the ratio of active and retired persons changes in a tax financed scheme a linear adjustment of the contribution will suffice.
In an asset backed scheme a youth bulge will drive up all asset classes and the following retirement will drop them like lead.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 09:38:39 AM EST
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Except that youth bulges in a single state strike hard at public pen sion schemes, while the capital markets are affected by the average of youth bulges, and as different countries hit the demograpihic rollover att different times, it will have a smoother effect on capital markets.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 09:55:39 AM EST
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In practice that would mean investing outside the EU and probably in non OECD countries. There aren't that many developing countries I'd bet my retirement on being stable for the next forty years.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 10:04:53 AM EST
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Nope. Lots of non-OECD companies have a very large fraction of their business in developing countries. Like ABB, HSBC, Siemens, AREVA and so on.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:04:09 AM EST
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No you don't, and with a system where everyone (forcibly) saves money for her own account, you do not have to deal with the intergenerational problems and imbalances arising from a change in the age structure.

No pension fund stockpiles wheat in big silos in the harbour for distribution to retirees. What they stockpile is claims over value. The goods still have to be produced when those claims over value are to be redeemed. Whether those goods are claimed as profits for a pension fund portfolio or as taxes for the government makes little difference to the person who produces them, except inasmuch as government pensions have considerably lower overhead costs.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 10:26:45 AM EST
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