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they are a bit more credible on that topic, having actually delivered cheap power for the past 30 years.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 06:23:02 PM EST
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But what UK nuclear supplier has ever run without some form of subsidy?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 06:28:50 PM EST
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The petroleum industry has delivered cheap power for about a century, and the coal industry even cheaper power for several centuries. Therefore,
coal > oil > nuclear.
by asdf on Tue Oct 27th, 2009 at 11:18:53 PM EST
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"...The petroleum industry has delivered cheap power for about a century, ..."

Give or take a battleship or two...or twelve...or maybe, a deposed democracy here or there.

"...and the coal industry even cheaper power for several centuries."

Give or take slavery in the coal mines (did it officially end before 1900 in Scotland, of after?) and the deaths and destruction that it causes consequential to its use.

But yeah, greater than nukes on the list of horrible solutions, badly implemented.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 at 08:36:23 AM EST
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"... having actually delivered cheap power for the past 30 years."

Did that DCP (delivered cheap power) include the costs of delivered-drums-of-nuclear-waste-to-Siberia-to-eventually-be-refined-but-until-then-just-left-on-a-r ailway-siding-or-in-this-open-unguarded-field?

Snark aside, EDF, or the French establishment and mentality mostly got it right. But nukes are a problem, and they will be bigger problems as water for cooling becomes more scarce, and the reality of 'future solutions to mitigate the waste' gets pushed back further and further.

Further, as time goes on, we constantly see that people will break even the most iron-clad policies and make the entire group suffer.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 at 08:46:03 AM EST
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J has earned his right to discuss EDF's version of nuclear power, because he's already financed some of these babies now going into Alpha Ventus in Germany, 40 km offshore.  Since i last posted, the third has already been installed near center, and the fourth is being readied on the left.  You can make out the blades of the previous installation posted here on the far right.

As i sniffle at my desk, i'm glad i'm not out there.

remember, this is video, so the images change from this post.  But it sure looks sunny and sweet.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Oct 28th, 2009 at 09:10:52 AM EST
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