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Essay - The Collider, the Particle and a Theory About Fate - NYTimes.com
Then it will be time to test one of the most bizarre and revolutionary theories in science. I'm not talking about extra dimensions of space-time, dark matter or even black holes that eat the Earth. No, I'm talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.


"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:24:47 PM EST
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ROFL

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:28:40 PM EST
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Somebody's been taking Flashforward too seriously.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:37:49 PM EST
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They actually have a point :-)

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:45:25 PM EST
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Novikov self-consistency principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Novikov self-consistency principle, also known as the Novikov self-consistency conjecture, is a principle developed by Dr. Igor Novikov in the mid-1980s to solve the problem of paradoxes in time travel, which is theoretically permitted in certain solutions of general relativity (solutions containing what are known as closed timelike curves). Stated simply, the Novikov consistency principle asserts that if an event exists that would give rise to a paradox, or to any "change" to the past whatsoever, then the probability of that event is zero. In short, it says that it's impossible to create time paradoxes.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 04:09:11 AM EST
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Awww, does that mean The Door Into Summer couldn't happen?

      "...While still a kitten, all fluff and buzzes, Pete had worked out a simple philosophy. I was in charge of quarters, rations, and weather; he was in charge of everything else.  But he held me especially responsible for weather. Connecticut winters are good only for Christmas cards; regularly that winter Pete would check his own door, refuse to go out it because of that unpleasant white stuff beyond it (he was no fool), then badger me to open a people door.  He had a fixed conviction that at least one of them must lead into summer weather."


Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 11:25:13 AM EST
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Am I alone in thinking that that is one book that would never get past a publisher for moral reasons nowadays?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 11:34:58 AM EST
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I guess I don't know what you're referring to.  I read that book as a sci-fi obsessed teenager more than 40 years ago.  It was my favorite Heinlein story and maybe my favorite story period until I discovered Frank Herbert.  I don't remember any big moral lapses in it.  What did I miss?

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 at 11:45:52 AM EST
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Why? There are no inconsistencies in the plot as described.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:59:11 AM EST
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A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Who is that, Igor Novikov and a friend?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:41:14 PM EST
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Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, put this idea forward in a series of papers with titles like "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and "Search for Future Influence From LHC," posted on the physics Web site arXiv.org in the last year and a half.

Oh, well, close enough. HB Nielsen must have been inspired by Novikov as both were at the Niels Bohr Institute in the 1990s when Novikov started working on the physics of time travel.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 05:43:44 PM EST
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I could see this if it was something like when you try a run to make the Higgs boson, the required collisions never occurred. But it seems like a stretch to have the "backwards in time" path be so complicated that it results in the entire run being aborted because of a vacuum leak in some random part of the system...

Why not just have it go a bit further and erase Higgs himself? (And his co-theorizers. And graduate student potential theorizers. And undergraduate potential graduate students. Etc. Along a string, sort of...)

by asdf on Tue Oct 13th, 2009 at 10:49:05 PM EST
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