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I don't have a car either, because I'm a student. But people who have jobs and want cars have them. Choosing not to have a car in spite of affording one doesn't exclude you from living at a high standard of living. Likewise with a TV.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 03:10:55 AM EST
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I'm getting rid of my car next Spring. I've been slowly getting my clients to understand that 90% of our work together can be done online. It is really only major briefings that require my physical presence. I also have studio work (I do perhaps a couple of voiceovers a week), but I have also set this up to record professionally in my home office.

I do have a TV but it is only connected to a DVD, and is on perhaps 6 hours a week max. when I watch movies etc.

Flying is down to about 2 or 3 times a year - mostly to visit UK family and friends. Intercity in Finland is easy by train or express bus.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 03:48:12 AM EST
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What about "relationship building"?  In Ireland most real business is still done on the proverbial golf course.  Formal meetings are for show.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 05:49:27 AM EST
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Have you and I ever met F2F? No. Do you and I have a relationship? Yes, of a sort. Business relationships are going to change in the future. I do a lot of business with people I've never met F2F - although there is almost always an 'intermediary' - a colleague in common who can vouch for both sides.

But I do go infrequently to industry events and conferences, and that is where I mostly  rekindle relationships. Saturday, for instance I'm at a 25 person dinner for IT tyros mostly in the online game industry - that kind of event, typically, will produce a couple of projects for me. I suppose in Finland that reputation is still a mighty powerful attribute because so much business is done on a handshake. It is not the golf course short cuts and inside information that people are after, but reliability and know-how.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 09:35:42 AM EST
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I was referring more to the mutual trust building that your "intermediary" colleagues facilitate.  My concern would be that after a few years of almost exclusively online working there will be fewer and fewer common r/w intermediaries available to facilitate trusting relationships.  Nearly all business relationships will become "virtual" and it is so much harder to tell the charlatans when you don't have eye contact, body language, social and verbal linguistic cues to work off.

The parallel I would draw is with marketing.  In small communities where everyone knows everyone else you don't need brands as a proxy for quality.  You know the supplier, their skills, attitudes and track record.  In a huge urban community you only have the barest symbolic cues to go on - and it is precisely these that the "science" of marketing seeks to manipulate.

So a product/service comes with all the "emotional values" and apparent qualities that you are looking for, but it reality is a piece of crap.  It was just that their marketing department knew what you would be looking for (as indicators of quality) and manufactured false cues and "emotions" to make you think you were getting what you were looking for.

And the beauty of the process is that many think that the product/service was great (even when it was actually crap) because they can't admit to themselves that they'd been had. (ref. US Republican politics -  which are brilliant at persuading people that they have exactly what the electorate want - give them the opposite - and then afterwards persuade people that they actually got what they originally wanted...)

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 11:54:52 AM EST
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It comes down - again - to good faith business vs predatory business.

The Anglo model values predation and total dominance and sees them as primary goals, over and above any other consideration - including product quality, sustainability, employee, customer and partner relationships, and ethical standing.

In the Anglo model, marketing is valuable because it enforces dominance over culture and consumers, and  dominance over creative talent - that might be wasting its time making art, instead of selling sneakers.

The Euro model shares some of the same aims, but tends to be slightly more relaxed about diversity and experimentation. I think Europeans are also more cynical about corporate aims, and find it harder to derive their identify from them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 12:04:32 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
The Euro model shares some of the same aims, but tends to be slightly more relaxed about diversity and experimentation. I think Europeans are also more cynical about corporate aims, and find it harder to derive their identify from them.

yes i think that's true, -continentally- speaking.

which might suggest the anglo model to be one that is au fond naive, if naive makes a polarity with cynicism.

which in turn might stem from the 'entitlement of empire'...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 01:43:42 PM EST
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WHile I was a student in California I discovered that by just renting a car when I needed one I could drive a new (less than 2 years, less than 30 thousand miles) clean, tuned, fully insured car for a fraction of the cost of owning and insuring an old piece of crap. Owning a car is uneconomic, compared to car sharing. People own cars for the status, just like plasma TVs.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:24:20 AM EST
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But people are also ready to pay a very large amount of money to have a car "on-call", that is, available to them whenever they get some fancy to go somewhere, like just taking your car and driving somewhere, maybe to take your family to the lake, or just hop in during the weekend and explore the countryside.

Our former socdem PM, Göran Persson, once said something like the mass ownership of cars is the greatest freedom reform ever for the working class. I certainly understand what he meant. Before the advent of the car, most people had never traveled further than the distance they could walk or ride in a day or two.

And no, before you say it, this certainly doesn't mean that commuting in a car is the ideal way to go to work in an urban area.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:39:32 AM EST
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Having a car "on call" can easily be solved having a dense enough network of pick-up/drop-off points for rental cars. In the US this is the case, when I lived in Riverside, a town of 250,000 (but a County seat, nevertheless, and in LA's Metro area) I had at least three car rental companies available, one of them within walking distance. In Europe you have to go to inaccessible places, often warehouse areas in the vicinity of airports, to rent a car. Though already three years ago I started seeing advertisements for carsharing companies in London with a large number of delivery points. Something like vélib but for cars.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:40:11 AM EST
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Still pretty hard, especially if you live in the countryside. Most of the time mass transit is not an option.

Car rental are all but impossible a lot of the time, like on weekends, evenings or whatever. On top of that you have the hassle of actually getting to the place where they rent the car. The extra time spent getting to the rental with the family, renting it, and then doing the same thing when you come back, probably means that nine times out of ten you'll cancel that trip to the lake instead.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:22:18 PM EST
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Oh and btw, onlye three cities in Sweden have a population of 250.000 or more. I'm not living in one of them.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:23:24 PM EST
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I was talking about 250,000 people in the LA metro area. Average height of construction: 2 floors.

The city was larger than Madrid in Area, despite being 15-20 times smaller in population.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:33:32 PM EST
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The city is sustainable.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:31:49 PM EST
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