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WHile I was a student in California I discovered that by just renting a car when I needed one I could drive a new (less than 2 years, less than 30 thousand miles) clean, tuned, fully insured car for a fraction of the cost of owning and insuring an old piece of crap. Owning a car is uneconomic, compared to car sharing. People own cars for the status, just like plasma TVs.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:24:20 AM EST
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But people are also ready to pay a very large amount of money to have a car "on-call", that is, available to them whenever they get some fancy to go somewhere, like just taking your car and driving somewhere, maybe to take your family to the lake, or just hop in during the weekend and explore the countryside.

Our former socdem PM, Göran Persson, once said something like the mass ownership of cars is the greatest freedom reform ever for the working class. I certainly understand what he meant. Before the advent of the car, most people had never traveled further than the distance they could walk or ride in a day or two.

And no, before you say it, this certainly doesn't mean that commuting in a car is the ideal way to go to work in an urban area.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:39:32 AM EST
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Having a car "on call" can easily be solved having a dense enough network of pick-up/drop-off points for rental cars. In the US this is the case, when I lived in Riverside, a town of 250,000 (but a County seat, nevertheless, and in LA's Metro area) I had at least three car rental companies available, one of them within walking distance. In Europe you have to go to inaccessible places, often warehouse areas in the vicinity of airports, to rent a car. Though already three years ago I started seeing advertisements for carsharing companies in London with a large number of delivery points. Something like vélib but for cars.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:40:11 AM EST
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Still pretty hard, especially if you live in the countryside. Most of the time mass transit is not an option.

Car rental are all but impossible a lot of the time, like on weekends, evenings or whatever. On top of that you have the hassle of actually getting to the place where they rent the car. The extra time spent getting to the rental with the family, renting it, and then doing the same thing when you come back, probably means that nine times out of ten you'll cancel that trip to the lake instead.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:22:18 PM EST
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Oh and btw, onlye three cities in Sweden have a population of 250.000 or more. I'm not living in one of them.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:23:24 PM EST
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I was talking about 250,000 people in the LA metro area. Average height of construction: 2 floors.

The city was larger than Madrid in Area, despite being 15-20 times smaller in population.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:33:32 PM EST
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The city is sustainable.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 12:31:49 PM EST
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