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Now let's get NATO out of Afghanistan so stuff like this can spread there, too!

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 08:31:40 PM EST
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you mean it's not happening now?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:54:00 AM EST
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If it is, it's not happening nearly as much as if NATO pulled out right now.

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:36:01 AM EST
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[Citation needed]
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:54:54 AM EST
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I guess if the Koran-thumping thugs are busy fighting NATO they're less busy fighting their women.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:59:36 AM EST
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Possibly. Or they're trying to demonstrate what good extremists they are.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:16:50 AM EST
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I'd have thought that was a resonable claim not requiring citation.

Whether, in the long run, NATO is helping by easing the pain now but dragging it out with this slow atrition or whether the Taliban would burn themselves out, as in Iran, within a generation, if left alone is something worth considering. NATO might have done a good thing if it had really given a shit about the Afghan people back in 2001/2, but we evidently didn't then and we really don't now.

Cromwell said it really "you have been here too longfor all the good that you have been doing. In the name of God, Go."

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:13:53 AM EST
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Not obvious at all. Are the locals even in the habit of stoning women in Afghanistan? I don't recall.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:17:57 AM EST
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But Google remembers, of course. "The Taliban" have been known to do it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:27:58 AM EST
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In any case, this is yet another of the slightly desperate repetitions of the ludicrous "NATO is in Afghanistan for the sake of the women" nonsense. Is blowing up women better than stoning them for some reason that I'm just not feminist or Atlanticist enough to understand?

When is NATO invading the US to stop executions there?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:27:02 AM EST
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Helen:
I'd have thought that was a resonable claim not requiring citation.
NATO's local allies, the Northern Alliance wasn't known for being any better than the Taliban on women's rights when they were in power.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 07:15:37 AM EST
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On the other hand:
The rise of the Soviet-backed People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan in 1978 brought large-scale literacy programs for men and women, again alongside the abolition of bride price and other reforms beneficial to women. During this period leading up the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, reforms in areas such as education stirred resentment among religious and tribal leaders in the rural areas. Although full implementation of these reforms were limited by political exigencies, women were able to experience expanded access to education and also the opportunity to actively participate as university faculty staff.
Reagan's "freedom fighters" soon put a stop to all that, of course, which explains why those of us whose memories go back that far are deeply suspicious of any attempt to the U.S. to exploit women's rights to justify their policies.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 07:43:43 AM EST
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