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Gee, that's De Pressing - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

Second estimate of third-quarter GDP out; growth rate marked down to 2.8%.

This is really quite grim. At this growth rate it's far from clear that we're doing anything to reduce the output gap -- the gap between what the economy could produce and what it's actually producing. Correspondingly, there's no reason now for even a bit of optimism on unemployment.




Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 03:05:39 PM EST
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U.S. Economy Expanded at a 2.8% Rate in Third Quarter - Bloomberg.com
The U.S. economy expanded at a 2.8 percent annual rate in the third quarter, less than the government reported last month, reflecting a smaller gain in consumer spending and a bigger trade deficit.

The increase in gross domestic product from July through September reported today by the Commerce Department in Washington compares with a 3.5 percent gain previously estimated. Corporate profits climbed by the most in five years.
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Much of the boost last quarter was provided by the administration's auto-incentive program known as "cash for clunkers," which offered buyers payments of as much as $4,500 to trade in older cars and trucks for new, more fuel-efficient vehicles. The plan, which ended in August, boosted sales by about 700,000 vehicles, according to the Transportation Department.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 06:30:04 PM EST
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And Instead of Fixing the U.S. Economy or Creating Jobs for Americans, Obama will Spend the Money in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I know this is like beating a dead horse, but the fact is they haven't buried the long dead animal and it stinks to high heaven!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 06:30:25 PM EST
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Almost all of the money is beng spent in the US tho'. US army personnel wages, US defence purchases are exclusively American. Re-supply. US contractors buying US equipment using US supplied building equipment.

About the only way money money is actually spent away from USA is buying fuel and supplying bribes.

If they built anything in the US, that wouldn't be US jobs cos they'd pay illegals to build it (cheap labour) and the chinese to supply the kit (cheap goods).

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:36:54 AM EST
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the money is spent once and then disappears, whereas if it were spent on civilian use in the economy, it would be recycled back in.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:04:09 AM EST
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From Krugman:
Basically, we may be in a technical recovery, but we're not recovering.

But most importantly, we now officially mark an end to the downturn that started in '08. So what ever happens from here on out is a separate "drecession." We are saved from having to talk about a "drecession" that has now drug on for over a year for at least another year. Now if they can just convince the people.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:19:57 AM EST
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Perhaps that should be a "deprecession".

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:24:00 AM EST
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Or "deflession"?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:02:28 AM EST
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How about 'suicidal fuck-up'?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 06:34:37 AM EST
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How about we stop looking at GDP or asset values to define "recovery" and look at employment?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:20:59 AM EST
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how about looking at median wages, for instance?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:06:10 AM EST
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