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The universe's past, in close-up  LA Times

Three giant telescopes, many times stronger than any existing today, will allow scientists to study the processes that created the cosmos.


Scientist Bill Hubler monitors the polishing of a mirror for the Giant Magellan Telescope at the University of Arizona's Steward Observatory Mirror Lab. The telescope's 80-foot-diameter light-gathering area will dwarf today's largest telescopes. (Ray Bertram / Steward Observatory / November 23, 2009)

Reporting from Tucson -  If there were a Guinness world record for making telescope mirrors, Dean Ketelsen would likely win it. Colleagues boast that the onetime Iowa farm boy has ground and polished more square footage of optics than any human being alive. "It used to be a mysterious thing that hunch-backed people in white coats did," the 55-year-old technician said while taking a break at the University of Arizona's Steward Observatory Mirror Lab. "Now we use machines to grind the glass. They've taken a lot of the black arts out of it."

Maybe so. But Ketelsen can't help being as proud as a soccer parent of his latest achievement. Resting behind him in the laboratory under the university's football stadium was the first of seven huge mirrors being made for the Giant Magellan Telescope. One of a new generation of super-large, ground-based telescopes being constructed around the world, the Giant Magellan's 80-foot-diameter light-gathering area will dwarf the largest telescopes in the world.



As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:50:59 AM EST
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The rotating table technique in which hot glass is poured into a rotating table over a form and allowed to cool while rotating was pioneered at the U of A a couple of decades ago. It greatly reduces the amount of glass that has to be removed in order to finish a mirror.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:55:42 AM EST
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Spun glass or 'crown glass' has a rather long history.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:14:09 AM EST
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The technique which was pioneered at the U of A's Seward Observatory was the application of this technique to 1m+ diameter spinning, horizontal "tubs" for reflecting telescope mirrors. Temperature and rotation rate were carefully controlled so as to produce a spherical shape which minimized final shaping and to minimize bubbles and other flaws in the surface. At some point in the late 60s an optical engineering program was established at the U of A which has become one of the top two such programs in the US, with the program in Rochester, NY (think Kodak) being the oldest.

In the early '70s I hired a post-doc to analyze the optical chain of a product belonging to the company for which I was working. He did a great job technically, showing a first order design problem in the folded optics chain the resolution of which, unfortunately, was not economically feasible. Having been the interface and having written the report, I got the "credit" for killing the product line.  :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:23:40 AM EST
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I was involved in a short movie about the Tuorla Observatory near Turku in Finland, where, underground, they also grind lenses and mirrors - including the 3.5m mirror on Herschel.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:54:36 PM EST
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My favourite is still spinning mercury to make a perfectly parabolic liquid mirror.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:37:51 PM EST
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Today we no more want perfect paraboles: we want adaptive optics.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 02:26:13 AM EST
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That looks like a penis diameter competition between the Americans and the Europeans.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:26:14 AM EST
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That's how you get financing for these kind of proejcts.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:42:43 AM EST
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Leading, of course, to a familiar designation for the Magellan as a "cluster-...." telescope?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:29:32 AM EST
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That's a cross-section of a bovine udder...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:38:03 PM EST
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While we are on the subject of plutoscience

ALMA First Fringes at Chajnantor

A team of astronomers and engineers at ALMA have made interferometric measurements of radio signals from an astronomical source from the observatory's "high site", which is at an altitude of 5000 meters. These observations used the full suite of the production equipment that has been developed for ALMA, including two high-precision 12-meter diameter antennas and sophisticated electronic systems for receiving and correlating the signals. This is the first time that all these complex items, almost all of which are at the leading edge of technology, have been used together as a complete system.


AOS (Array Operations Site) Interferometer
© ALMA (ESO/NAOJ/NRAO), Alvaro Quintana and Jose Olivares (ALMA)

Submillimetric astronomy may not make as pretty pictures as optical astronomy, but it is scientifically important too !

(And one of the people working on the project is my father, too...)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:30:35 AM EST
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And of course the picture didn't get through...

Chatacama desert, the driest air you can find, at an altitude of 5000 m...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:32:53 AM EST
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Atacama desert... Not my day today...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:35:02 AM EST
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driest air you can find, at an altitude of 5000 m

And dark skies for optical scopes, courtesy of lack of development. Las Companas is the same area for similar reasons. It also lies almost on the same line of longitude as Kitt Peak, Arizona, making very long baseline synthetic aperture measurements a possibility.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:39:26 AM EST
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Not many countries are foolish enough to build the second most populous city in the middle of a desert..

Another benefit of Chili is that there is only the Pacific ocean upwind, so there is very little turbulence in the air above the telescopes.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 02:32:38 AM EST
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