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A few years ago, I traveled to nearby Tiszaújváros, an industrial town a mere 25 km south from Sajóbábony.

I remember a very quiet little town, with pleasant residential areas with public parks and industrial plants at the edge of the city; difficult to imagine large scale urban violence in such a setting; still...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 09:45:41 AM EST
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BTW, Tiszaújváros means Tisza [that's the river] New City. Original name: Sztálinváros, for Stalin :-)

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by DoDo on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 10:31:49 AM EST
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Oh yes, I remember a colleague telling me this anecdote. Still I wonder if Sajóbábony is anything like Tiszaújváros since the two cities are close...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:36:30 PM EST
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Closeness means nothing in this case... but I don't know, I haven't been to either.

Tisza- (ex Sztálin)újváros was built anew on the fields next to a village in the early fifties as a Socialist 'model city', so it has nothing to do with regional city plan and arrchitecture traditions. On the other hand, due to WWII or bad construction or government programmes, other cities and big villages lost much of their older architecture, too, to be replaced by what I guess to be similar 'socialist' architecture, only less flashy.

Additionally, I ask: when have you been to Tiszaújváros? Because, even if I wasn't there, there is the issue that not many of the areas with concrete apartment blocks in the former Eastern Bloc have changed for the better since 1989...

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:40:10 AM EST
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Tisza- (ex Sztálin)újváros

Actually, I messed up completely. Sztálinváros was the other model city, called Dunaújváros today (it's on the Danube). Tiszaújváros was Leninváros ( = Lenin city), but only from 1970, until when it shared the name of the nearby village (Tiszaszederkény).

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 02:24:12 PM EST
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You're right: Lenin, not Stalin; my bad :)
I suppose we both flunked our exam of great Soviet leaders...

And yes, from my recollection (only spent a couple of nights there -- days at the factory), it really looks like a planned community from the 1970's, with its checkerboard street patterns, small apartment buildings and public gardens, plus a couple of factories from multinational companies at the outskirts that provide employment to a large part of the population, I suppose.

So I guess this kind of towns may be the exception rather than the rule in the region that you described as rather impoverished.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 10:53:27 AM EST
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When I was kid, Sztálinváros long became Dunaújváros, while Leninváros was there -- so more a case of failing memory on my part :-)

As for the impoverishment, that is the result of the collapse of heavy industry (and Western private investors focusing their mone in the Western parts and big cities) -- Tiszaújváros was relatively lucky to keep one big industry.

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by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 02:48:36 PM EST
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