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It looks like the new train schedules starting December will have a lot of cuts, in particular concerning night trains. Gone are

  • The night train from Dortmund/Amsterdam to Milan (silver lining: no more waiting 2 hours in deserted train stations for the delayed train...)

  • Verona-Wien gone, along with all (it seems) Venice to Carinthia trains. Most (not the night train) to be replaced by buses.

  • Apparently the Salzburg-Frankfurt night train is gone. Is this true?
  • Anybody have more details? I can't find Cerbere-Metz any more, but I'm not sure if this was only a seasonal train anyway.

    by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 03:41:34 PM EST
    Anybody have more details?

    Only at the workplace, will check tomorrow...

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    by DoDo on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:12:18 PM EST
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    Cerbère-Metz is a strange one. The only connection sncf-voyages gives is with a change in Paris. There's a night train from Cerbère to Paris-Austerlitz, then the TGV Est. There are also trains with a change at Marnes-la-Vallée, but I can't find a night train.
    by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:21:51 PM EST
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    It sure is strange. I took it several years ago: Cerbere makes sense (essentially a train from Barcelona without using Spanish tracks), but I must have been one of the few people who actually wanted to get precisely to Metz.

    I was looking for it for January. But in the end I figured out that I could get a cheap fare for Hendaye-Metz via Paris, and I hope that Madrid-Hendaye will not be as expensive as Madrid-Cerbere.

    by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 04:35:16 PM EST
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    I was wrong about the night train Venice-Wien, which does seem to be there. But the day trains are all gone, replaced by busses.

    Another change: No Cisalpino any more. But this might be an improvement; the trains are all there, but running as normal ECs.

    by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 03:41:21 AM EST
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    Just checked the MÁV timeplan draft, and the (Budapest-)Vienna-Karlsruhe-Strasbourg/-Frankfurt night train is gone... though Budapest-Munich and Budapest-Zurich survived.

    In this forum post from September, I firm a confirmation of the CNL "Apus" Amsterdam/Dortmund-Milan and CNL "Eridanus" Amsterdam/Dortmund-Vienna discontinuations, though the latter will be replaced with a Cologne-Vienna run.

    Part of the reason might be that DB is retiring its aging Talgo fleet.

    Here is DB's night train schedule from December, though you might already have seen that.

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    by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 05:17:51 AM EST
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    Dortmund/Amsterdam to Milan

    ...seems like it survives until Brig.

    Salzburg-Frankfurt night train is gone.

    Appears so, in DB's timeplan.

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    One whose delusions are out of fashion.

    by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 06:27:07 AM EST
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    seems like it survives until Brig.

    Isn't that a different train? The Milan one went via Lugano and Chiasso.

    by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 06:35:21 AM EST
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