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Some of the Irish players were crying after the match. It was a real fight & I seriously doubt that fixing accusations hold any water.
Don't forget that just minutes before, the referee had annulled a goal scored by France because of an off-side. The pressure was high & he made a decision in a split second... which turned out wrong. That's all there is to it.
by vladimir on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:05:27 AM EST
I didn't mention the referee by name because overall I thought he was quite fair on the night.  It is possible that neither the referee or the two linesmen saw the incidents leading up to the goal and it was late in extra time and so he might have been tired and having difficulty keeping close to the action.  Television replies didn't show his position relative to the handball incident although they indicated that the far linesman (who also missed the off-side) should have seen it.

Overall I'm not inclined to believe the conspiracy theory - perhaps, at most,  the unconscious bias of favouring the home/bigger team as referees depend on the powers that be for future appointments.  There has been a pattern  of Ireland losing to controversial or wrong refering decissions at the final hurdle to qualifying for big tournaments, so I can see why some would harbour notions of conspiracy.

For instance Fifa changed the rules for the play-offs AFTER the eight teams in the pay-offs had been decided - from an open draw to a seeded draw - which meant the lower ranked teams like Ireland won't meet a higher ranked team like France, and the higher ranked teams couldn't meet each other.  In any other sphere of human activity, such a late changing of the rules to help the bigger players would be actionavble in the courts especially as it has revenue implications of many millions of Euros.

Fifa admitt5ed afterwards it had "made a mistake" in changing the rules after the teams had qualified - but it makes those sorts of "mistakes" all the time in order to maximise its income.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:36:25 AM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
which meant the lower ranked teams like Ireland won't meet a higher ranked team like France, and the higher ranked teams couldn't meet each other

Should have been "would"

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:44:50 AM EST
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In any case, the Irish played a better quality game - especially in the 1st half. 2nd half was closer. The French really got their stuff together in over-time. It was a highly charged match! I had a great time. Sorry for the leprechauns.
by vladimir on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:46:49 AM EST
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were you at the match?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:48:53 AM EST
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I was indeed. At home in front of my TV set with my son. No beer. No chips. No peanuts. Just the game.
by vladimir on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 05:49:02 AM EST
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I think the linesman was on the far corner from Henry, so it is entirely possible that he didn't see it - there were at least the goalie and Gallas between Henry and him, as well as Hanry using his far hand and raising his leg at the same time.

The one thing I would like to see come out of this is the long overdue ability to judge based on real-time video footage. There's been a 4th referee off the pitch for, what, 15 years now? Time for FIFA to change the rules of the game to allow the use of video to make calls.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 04:54:37 AM EST
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Irish TV replays showed a graphically enhanced slo-mo which appeared to indicate the far linesman had a clear line of sight with Henry facing him and Gallas only arriving a split second later.  However when these things happen in real time 30 Metres away, it may be altogether less clear.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 05:25:07 AM EST
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Don't forget that just minutes before, the referee had annulled a goal scored by France because of an off-side.

Forgetting that referee errors go both ways -- standard procedure :-) (Also see South Korea-Italy, 2002.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:05:58 AM EST
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Of course they do, but no one is claiming that the referee made any mistakes in favour of Ireland and I specifically said the ref (and the German ref. for the first leg) was very fair apart from that incident.  That goal, too, was offside.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:18:49 AM EST
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no one is claiming that the referee made any mistakes in favour of Ireland

I thought vladimir did just that, and the fouler of Anelka got no card either.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:42:13 AM EST
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I don't think there was a foul. Anelka tried to get a penalty kick but the keeper is sliding perfectly along the ground.

Admittedly, Lloris got sent out and conceded a penalty kick for even less than that against Serbia, but then France complained.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:45:33 AM EST
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Actually the referee did make a mistake when he issued a yellow card to Florent MALOUDA in the 88th minute.
by vladimir on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 09:55:05 AM EST
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There was also another occasion in the 2nd half where the referee was lenient on the Irish team... he could have easily given the French a penalty kick as there was an Irish foul in the box.
by vladimir on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 10:52:41 AM EST
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You mean when Anelka dived and didn't get a yellow card?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 01:40:22 PM EST
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Referee perhaps missed a few fouls - BYU vs New Mexico Girls Soccer. Seemed the girls weren't complaining, took matter into their own hands.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 02:43:03 PM EST
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I don't want to overplay this, but there are parts of the world where the Henry incident would have given rise to rioting and perhaps even deaths.  I think the conduct of the players and supporters was exemplary - as always - as witnessed by the incident where Lloris made a brilliant and very brave save at Robbie Keane's feet just as the latter was about to shoot.  It could have led to a nasty injury.  Robbie Keane patted Lloris on the head and congratulated him on a great and brave piece of goalkeeping.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 02:51:10 PM EST
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Death threats for Urs Meier. Just love those fans hooligans.

I'm still a referee in field hockey with two matches each weekend, not for the federation but at highest club level. It's fun and always a great challenge. The level of abuse throughout the years is a wave pattern of increase and a reversal. A lot of effort is made in awareness of sportsmanship by the youth. Usually the problem lies with coaches and parents.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Thu Nov 19th, 2009 at 03:10:30 PM EST
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They won, but I don't know if they took matters into their own hands.  Clearly NMSU is dirty.  The coach ought to get a huge fine, and this was nasty enough that I wouldn't mind seeing the NCAA suspend people for the remainder of the year.  The fact that ponytail girl was still walking after the game shows some serious class on BYU's part.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 21st, 2009 at 06:27:48 PM EST
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