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They fail to take responsibility where they should (for example, on Russia); they fail to get what they want out of the US (for example, visa-free travel); they acquiesce when America chooses to strongarm them (except in the economic relationship); they adopt courses of action not out of conviction but in order to propitiate their patron (for example, Afghanistan); and they suffer from US policies not specifically directed against them but which nonetheless have adverse consequences for them (for example, Israel/Palestine).

What do you mean by more complex relationships in and via the EU Council? There is no European foreign policy. The EU can't even agree on a common position with regard to Kosovo. The EU does not even want to begin talking about Iraq out of fear it will reopen old wounds. And a common policy exists least of all with regard to Washington. Rather, the leaders of Britain, France and Germany are openly (or less openly in Merkel's case) jockeying for who gets to be first poodle. What's wrong with an analysis that blasts Europe for this sorry state of affairs?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 03:12:59 PM EST
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This:

And deferring to the US as what one top French official described to us as "le grand frère égalisateur" has other advantages: it allows Europeans to stop other Europeans getting above themselves. Italians can hope to use American clout to keep Germany off the UN Security Council; Germany can ignore French "pretension" in suggesting that the French nuclear deterrent could protect Germany; and Dutchmen and Danes are frank that their Atlanticism owes much to a wish to see France and Germany held in check.

..is not extra-EU foreign policy, it is intra-EU relations seen through an Atlanticist filter.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 03:19:07 PM EST
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While the perspective is certainly transatlantic (and I would have preferred something more clearly European), I think that there's nothing in that paragraph that's not roughly correct, and it's not stated that these are the main reasons. They are in my estimation definitely reasons for the continued inertia.

To qualify, Dutch transatlanticism has ebbed somewhat in the last Balkenende government, which has mainly been due to the mutual reaching out between Balkenende and Sarkozy on the one hand and the degree of toxicity of G.W. Bush on the other hand. I am not confident that this will be a lasting change of direction.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 03:58:49 PM EST
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They are in my estimation definitely reasons for the continued inertia.

However, in the actual context of that paragraph, I don't think they play that much a role in allowing "Europeans to stop other Europeans getting above themselves". (So I agree that there's nothing in that paragraph that's not roughly correct, but there is an implication that these are main factors.)

To give another direction to this sub-discussion; I'm only at pdf page 17 now so don't know if it is covered later, but, IMO, there is a logical sequence of these European attitudes:

  1. there are real conflicts of foreign policy interests between EU member states,
  2. earlier bouts of American divide-and-rule [a policy named by the report explicitely on page 12 as one of four] exploited these,
  3. EU member states act as vassals and client states and hope for special relationships rather than act jointly ( = EU foreign policy paralysis).

To get out of this, IMO one has to go back to the core (e.g. point 1) OR push through a much more radical institutional reform than Lisbon -- hard chance with both.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:24:13 PM EST
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What's wrong with an analysis that blasts Europe for this sorry state of affairs?

That, so far, every second paragraph comes back to an implication that some American foreign policy objective would be in Europe's interests, too; that the sorry state of affairs usually ends up being something where Europe failed to live up to Obama admin expectations, and the resolution to European foreign policy paralysis tends to look like doing something in America's stead. (I'm on page 17.)

But, to again highlight that I see this as a bold departure anyway, here is the last of four recommendations on how Europeans could 'maintain and strengthen transatlantic cooperation':

In Chorus, not Solo. If they are to count for something in Washington's world view, EU member states need above all to speak and act together, thus bringing their collective weight to bear. This is as true in relation to the US as it is in relation to Russia or China - only even more difficult. The current practice of banking on some bilateral "special relationship" in a European competition for Washington's favour simply invites the US to continue to divide and rule. Worse, by hamstringing Europeans as effective partners for the US, it is also undermining the transatlantic relationship as a whole.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 03:37:55 PM EST
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is that a common position would be very similar to America's... the reality is that when Europe actually has a common position, it can pretty much impose it to everybody, including to the Americans. See technical standards, trade matters or even the euro.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 03:55:36 PM EST
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There are some limits to that power of course. But yes, as I wrote in European Geopolitics.
A frequent problem of policies and institutions that do not exist is that they are imparted with a purpose they are unlikely to serve by those who argue on behalf of their creation. Thus does U.S. presidential candidate John McCain seek a 'League of Democracies' that would engage in bolder democracy promotion and create freer markets. Thus does Anne Applebaum dream of the leaders of the UK, France and Germany coming to the White House, pledging to solve Afghanistan. Thus, likewise, does the English foreign policy community desire a common European foreign and defence policy that will stand up to Russia.

So I take my excoriations of transatlanticism and calls for common European foreign and defence policy as they come.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:14:50 PM EST
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So I take my excoriations of transatlanticism and calls for common European foreign and defence policy as they come.

Point taken.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:29:32 PM EST
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Yes, that's how it feels so far, despite this in the intro:

Among the illusions that European governments find hard to shake off, we identify four which are particularly damaging - the beliefs that:

  • ...
  • American and European interests are at bottom the same - and apparent evidence to the contrary only evidences the need for the US to pay greater heed to European advice;

I hope to find them fleshing out that point when I read on, but probably not tonight.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:28:14 PM EST
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quite frankly, there is a West European consensus, joined by more than a few Central European countries, and a lot of incoherent angry noise coming from the UK, Poland and the Baltics (with some justification for the latter). The UK's confrontational, bellicose, insulting-to-all stance makes Europe look divided (and indeed revels in throwing that insult to try to badger the others to join them in their antics) because it is seen as somehow representative of anything other than the panic of the UK elites over their lack of an energy policy.

Europe is not threatened by Russia. It generally knows how to negotiate energy deals with it, even if it is done on a quasi-national-champion per quasi-national-champion basis (I'd note that no other practical alternative to negotiating with Gazprom has ever been proposed). It can cohabitate with it on most international issues.

Russia is the big bogeyman created by the militaro-industrial complex to generate the appearance of a need for US "protection." (Note: I'm not saying Russia is not authoritarian, just that it's not really dangerous to Europe. Relations with the "near abroad" (the FSU) are dominated by oligarchic issues as much as anything and Europe is better off not getting involved in issues it doesn't understand or care about).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:06:27 PM EST
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The characterisatin I used, "bold departure" [from traditional Atlanticism], applies here, too. Though they keep suggesting that Europe should deal with Russia, without (so far) defining what the common EU position should be or would look like, they say this:

Many in Eastern Europe would argue that security dependence on the US is no illusion, but brute fact in the face of Putin's reassertive Russia. Yet, as US Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently attested: "As someone who used to prepare estimates of Soviet military strength for several presidents, I can say that Russia's conventional military, although vastly improved since its nadir in the late 1990s, remains a shadow of its Soviet predecessor. And adverse demographic trends in Russia will likely keep those conventional forces in check."5 Even after recent major increases financed by surging energy prices, Russian defence spending is still significantly lower than that of the EU member states as a whole. In fact, even on the basis of purchasing power parity, last year's Russian defence budget was roughly equivalent to those of the UK and France combined. Europe as a whole continues to spend twice as much as Russia on defence.6

Whatever the details, the implication is that Russia is NOT a threat.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:35:30 PM EST
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I think most sane people agree that Russia is not a military threat (although some in the Baltics - and I won't even mention Georgia - may diasagree), but will point out to energy issues and to general political interference and intimidation.

On energy, we mostly need to get out of our insane current neolib policies to eliminate the notion of that energy threat (or reframe it as the larger threat of depletion to deal with it as such).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 at 04:53:10 PM EST
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