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Excellent story - almost worthy of a Times Editorial - (I jest) which cogent makes the argument for the status quo as it has emerged from Lisbon and the summit which has just concluded.  On the one hand it gives the lie to all the apocalyptic gloom and doom stroies emanating from the left and right parts of the NO campaign in Irteland that the EU was in the process of building a superstate which would strip countries of their identities and force conscription etc. on us all.

The reality is a lot more incremental and prosaic, and the fact that it does play well on TV or sell newspaers is not our problem.

However I would have a couple of cribs.  Both Van Rompuy and Ashton are barely a year into their previous roles as Prime Minister and Trade Commissioner, and so we really have very little evidence of their supposed competence.  Let us hope you are right.

Secondly, and relatedly, neither have obvious accomplishments at a European level.  Baroness Ashton has never been elected to anything and has never served as aq foreign minister or top politician even in the UK.  If you wanted to pick a women Commissioner, why not Neelie Kroes - European Commissioner for Competition - who has some accomplishments in that role?

The truth is that even though these individuals may turn out to be competent, both were very much "lowest common denominator appointments" in the political sense that they had offended no one important.  Ashton got the Gig to persuade Brown to back of Blair and row in behind Van Rompuy.  No other reason.  She's barely known in the UK.  Rompuy got the gig because more long-standing and experienced Prime Ministers had offended someone important somewhere along the way.

IO don't have a problem with low key, or consensus building.  But we needed more evidence of competence and achievement, and even a greater nod to democracy in the case of Ashton.  Let's hope they are as competent as you surmise, but compromise for its own sake isn't necessarily much better than the cult of leadership.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 05:54:57 AM EST
Keeping Belgium together over the past year surely counts as a very real (and mostly unheralded) achievement by Rompuy - and demonstrates the exact qualities needed for the new job.

As to not having offended anyone, I'd say it is a fundamental prerequisite of the job, given its definition. A Swinging Big Dick, or anyone having pissed off one or more of the big countries  would have been a certain reciped for clashes and crises when the time would come to speak in Europe's name on the next international crisis.

On Ashton, I agree that we need to reserve judgement, but she has demonstrated spine in standing up to the US in trade negotiations in the past year - she had a EU mandate, and proved up to the task, fwiw.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:02:34 AM EST
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All the claims that Ashton has "no foreign policy experience" are specious. For the past 18 months she's been conducting bilateral trade relations with China, India, Korea, the US, Latin America...

And, as I said yesterday:

I don't actually mind van Rompuy. If he managed to compose a viable government for Belgium after the last parliamentary election he may be just what the Council needs to get its job done.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:09:09 AM EST
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To argue a lack of proven competence over an extended period of time is not the same as arguing for a Big Swinging Dick.  Let's get away from that false dichotomy.  Neither Van Rompuy or Ashton have a track record of arguing for and articulating the interests of the European project on a world stage for any length of time.  And yes, the job may entail upsetting a Brown or a Sarkosy sometime if they engage in some stupid adventure in Afganistan or (almost anywhere - in Sarkozy's case) which has the potential to divide/damage the EU.  How do we know Van Rompuy/Ashton would be up to that job?

Maintaining the status quo or appeasing everyone for the sake of a cosy consensus is not always the right course to take, and it can be argued that it is hard choices which will define the EU as much as technocratic efficiency in the longer term.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:16:33 AM EST
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The ideal candidate wasn't an option for this round. They would have to be an anti-Blair, or an anti-Sarkozy, or perhaps an ant-Burlesquoni - charismatic, aggressive, but non-psychotic, and dedicated entirely to the forces of good.

There is no one in mainstream European politics with those qualifications.

So Europe's lapdog status continues for now, at least until the current generation of Atlanticists dies out and is replaced by fresh blood.

The best we can hope for is to start finding and supporting the fresh blood, with a view to 2020 or 2030.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:22:58 AM EST
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And if such a person existed, the governments wouldn't let her work against the US anyway. The problem is the zeitgeist, not the person.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:29:24 AM EST
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which is why the current low-key choices are actually a good thing for Europe, by at least minimizing the chances for big blowups between the EU and big countries.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:32:18 AM EST
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The current low-key choices are good for Europe internally as a holding action, while the EU coheres. Apart from his stated hostility to Turkey, Van Rompuy seems to be perfect, or at least good enough, for that.

But there's a continuing tension between scrappy charisma-politics, which is what happens at the national level in the EU, and the amorphous and not very well-defined push towards federalisation.

At some point those two trends are going to be personalised in a very public clash.

Blair would have forced that collision ahead of time, which would have been unpleasant for everyone, but interesting to watch.

The democratic problem hasn't been solved - Van Rompuys doesn't give the proles a reason to believe in the EU. That's not a huge problem now, but it's going to start becoming a problem within a term or two.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:36:55 AM EST
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Assuming there's a push towards federalisation.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:39:30 AM EST
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I think it's usually called 'closer cooperation.'
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:20:30 AM EST
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There will be a push towards either federalisation or split-up. Having a (mostly) federal monetary policy without a complementing independent federal fiscal policy is inherently unstable. So either you need a federal fiscal policy, or the € needs to go away.

Besides, there are real issues of infrastructure and regional development that would benefit from federal involvement - high-capacity/high speed railways, water management along the Rhine and Donau rivers, fishing and environmental protection in the Mediterranean and Baltic seas, trans-European communications, phone and internet backbones, trans-European power generation and distribution and so on and so forth and etcetera.

Nationalists of all flavours can bitch and moan as much as they like - but geography and infrastructure are more powerful drivers in political unification than zeitgeist.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 09:47:48 PM EST
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Van Rompuys doesn't give the proles a reason to believe in the EU.

Nor should he -- I am more concerned that MEPs and Barroso fail to.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 07:41:52 AM EST
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On the one hand it gives the lie to all the apocalyptic gloom and doom stroies emanating from the left and right parts of the NO campaign in Irteland that the EU was in the process of building a superstate which would strip countries of their identities and force conscription etc. on us all.

Last night one of the people that BBCs Newsnight chose to interview was that fool who is head of UKIP. Their angle was that it had brought about this European Superstate, but it was going to be something of a Blundering Elephant, with no one  strong enough to steer it, and passengers like Sarkozy (Who he mentioned specifically) being able to take over and push it in directions that were bad for the people of Britain. (why British prime ministers werent going to be able to do something similar and do something good for Britain maybe says more about the calibre of current British politicians)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:23:03 AM EST
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Or perhaps it is part of Farage's raison d'etre and job description to run down British politicians from other UK parties and foster xenophobia by creating the myth of the big bad foreigner who is going to take over the UK?

The fact that the best he can do is pick on Sarkozy as the new Adolf Hitler is an amusement in itself...

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Nov 20th, 2009 at 06:48:25 AM EST
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