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European Tribune - LTD: Catherine Ashton - Why [and how] a Brit?
Facing the fait accompli that the Conservatives would propose Rompuy, the Socialist considered that it was their responsibility to place a woman in one of the positions of highest responsibility in the EU, as progressive sectors had been demanding.

To me that is rationalising the choice of Asthon with hindsight. If Miliband had accepted the position they all would have been very happy with two men in the top positions.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:05:33 AM EST
What I want to say with that, I do not believe that her being a woman was a top priority - the criteria for her choice in my opion was her being a Brit, getting also a woman was only a side-benefit.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:08:48 AM EST
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the criteria for her choice in my opion was her being a Brit
Criteria is plural. The criteria were that the candidate:
  • be from a country with a PES government
  • not be from Belgium, Poland or Portugal
  • be from a country that wanted the HR position over other Commission portfolios
  • be personally acceptable to the PES governments
  • be a woman (if possible)


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:03:54 AM EST
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Quite possible, but being able to take credit for some gender balance was a plus for the PES leaders. Zapatero has wasted no time trying to score points for that.
As the leader of a government with more female than male ministers, I found it hardly understandable or acceptable that there would be no [women] among the main positions of the Union
And there was a campaign by prominent women in the Commission and Parliament demanding at least one woman in the top jobs.

There is never a single reason for anything. In the case of Ashton, there's a long list of reasons for her appointment, some stronger than others, topped with "... plus, she's a woman".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:12:19 AM EST
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And if they'd appointed two men, you'd be complaining about that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 09:51:17 AM EST
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Fran isn't complaining about a woman being appointed, just querying whether it was considered a high priority or not for this post holder to be a woman.  Would they have insisted on it?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:55:29 AM EST
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To the point of veto, I doubt it.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:03:54 AM EST
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The way I read it, it would depend on who was available.

If it meant picking a random woman from somewhere in Europe in order to make a point about equality - probably not.

From the background comments, Ashton is well respected, and has the right qualifications - more so than the other contenders, apparently - so she got the job, at the cost of putting Mandelson's and perhaps Blair's nose out of joint.

I'm not seeing that as a fail.

The priority seems to have been to pick someone who could do a good job first - for local definitions of 'good job' - and be a woman second.

I'm not convinced that was the wrong way to do this.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:19:57 PM EST
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It's not necessarily either a fail or the wrong way to do it.

But Fran's point that there is little concern, in fact, for gender equality, and that Miliband would have been taken had he been available, seems fair to me.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:31:16 PM EST
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But Fran's point that there is little concern, in fact, for gender equality, and that Miliband would have been taken had he been available, seems fair to me.

I disagree that "there is little concern for gender equality". However, "gender equality" doesn't trump all. Barroso and Zapatero would have huffed and puffed but in the end ZP would not have vetoed a candidate on the basis that they were not a woman. So you can actually have "Miliband would have been chosen had he made himself available, because the concern for gender equality is not overriding. Which is not the same thing as "there is no concern for gender equality".

The overriding concern here was, apparently, "no Blairism" (and that means no Blair, no Mandelson and no Hoon).

So "no to Blair" overrides "gender equality". Go figure.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:15:54 PM EST
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Well, the concern for gender equality is something we'll better appreciate when the entire Commission is appointed.

But the massive fail that we should be happy about is the hit the Blair faction took. Anything but Blair, anything but Mandelson. And two distinctly un-Blairy appointees, so no ersatz Blair around. :-D

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:28:26 PM EST
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Oh, by the way, unlike van Rompuy who will be appointed by the Council directly, Ashton needs to go through confirmation hearings in the European Parliament as Commission Vicepresident. So we'll know more about where she stands on the issues soon, assuming the MEPs do their job.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:34:13 PM EST
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Yes, of course I would have minded if two men would have been chosen these two positions. But that was not, what my rant was about. It was against the spin, that all of a sudden having  a woman in that position has been important.

I am aware that Zapatero is one of the most feminist heads of state in Europe, but I think even he didn't fight much for a woman. My guess is that he would have had no problem with the a duo can Rompuy/Miliband. But now all of a sudden it sounds, like they made a real effort, when indeed it looks like she was a last minute choice, when none of the others was willing to take the job.

The one thing in my opinion that speaks for Asthon is her being woman, otherwise I just do not know enough about her.

I am complaining about gender equality in general and I think it is a sad state of being when European women have to lance a petition for a

Gender Balanced Commission Europe is full of competent women, now is the time to put them forward!

A new European Commission is going to take office this autumn and it looks like there will be even fewer female Commissioners in it than in the outgoing Commission. There are plenty of possible female candidates suitable for all portfolios. It's time to take action!

Asking for 1/3 of the commission members being women, for a sad number considering that the European population is 50 or more % female. Something around 50% of commission post would actually represent gender equality to me. Why do we still need petitions to get women into important positions?

I also find it sad that I saw this petition for the first time an a US blog, not a European one. Though Americablog does also look at the situation of US women "AMERICAblog News| A great nation deserves the truth: Crisis in US women's leadership"  which doesn't look much better and which also seems to slide backwards.

You can consider me an old feminist turning more and more cynic on this topic.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:52:08 AM EST
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The one thing in my opinion that speaks for Asthon is her being woman, otherwise I just do not know enough about her.

Just from this thread:

according to the consulted sources, it was valued that Ashton was a Commissioner and had a good relationship with Barroso since, as High Representative, she will be Vice President of the European Commission. In addition, a large part of the new Foreign Service of the EU, which she will lead, will be made up of current Commission functionnaries. Finally, her current responsibility, the Trade portfolio, had a foreign component.
and
her friends say she has considerable quiet charm. "She has achieved more in one year than Peter Mandelson did in four," said one. "He was too abrasive, whereas Cathy is patient and good at building alliances. It is the style of politics that works in Brussels."

Or as Ashton herself put it in a waspish interview last year: "Everyone has their own style. Peter did a fantastic job in my view, but I bring a different style. I don't know any oligarchs. I don't think I've ever been on anyone's yacht."

During her time in Brussels Ashton, a former health authority chairwoman who had never held elected office, forged an alliance with Barroso. She used her experience of fixing votes in the Lords to help the commission chairman out of difficulties with the Brussels parliament.

Do you not know or do you not care to know anything else about her than the fact that she is a woman?

The fact is,

Barroso had demanded that EU leaders be given the choice of a woman for one of the top Brussels jobs
and,
the Socialist considered that it was their responsibility to place a woman in one of the positions of highest responsibility in the EU, as progressive sectors had been demanding. In addition
There is no evidence that this is an ex-post-facto rationalisation other than your need to claim that nobody actually cares about gender equality at the highest levels of the EU institutions.

A woman candidate was requested, one was offered and she was elected.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 12:52:12 PM EST
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I am sorry, but your excerpts don't tell me where she stands on human rights? What's her position on the Afghanistan war? Is she an Atlanticist or what? Where does she stand on women rights - in general? Is she a hawk or is a dove concerning military interventions? Etc. I have not seen much informations  what her positions on these topics are. But maybe you can enlighten me.

That's what I am interested in - not if she is charming or if she has a good relation with Barroso or if she gets much done, that's nice but I would like to know here ideas behind what she gets done.

It is absolutely possible that she might turn out to do a great job, but at the moment this is all guesswork, until we know where stands on these and other topics.

And you have every right to see it your way, but I am still not convinced - that if Miliband had accepted, there would be two man in this two top positions

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:10:33 PM EST
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if Miliband had accepted, there would be two man in this two top positions

And that would be the end of the World as we know it?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:17:20 PM EST
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What evidence are you adducing that anyone does really care about this?

How many women are likely to be members of the new Commission compared to the old? The fact that there was a wish to see a woman at the top can be seen as much as CYA as a genuine concern for gender equality.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:14:36 PM EST
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In that regard, Neelie Kroes remaining European Commissioner for Competition  maybe even more important, when push comes to shove, than the recent appointments. This, and Viviane Reding at Information Society and Media.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 05:08:50 PM EST
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afew:
How many women are likely to be members of the new Commission compared to the old?

As I read somewhere: fewer.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 08:03:34 AM EST
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