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Do we objectify male politicians?

Yes, to some extent. Their physical traits become objects of caricature. Sarkozy's small stature and high heels are talked about and drawn, for instance.

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Do we subject them to the same type of scrutiny as we give to female politicians?

No. Female politicians are sex objects for men and sexual competitors for women. That's what the narratives are based on. What do they look like, what may be fantasized about their sex lives, that's for the men. What is their dress sense, how much can they spend on accessories, that's for the women.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:59:57 PM EST
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Female politicians are sex objects for men and sexual competitors for women. That's what the narratives are based on.

Is this something we should challenge and try to change?  Is celebrity culture something we want in politics?  Bearing in mind that there can be a difference between popularity and celebrity.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:07:40 PM EST
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Of course we should want to change it. But it's pretty deeply rooted. And celeb culture is drowning all aspects of public life. The less egalitarian society becomes, the more the spectacle of privilege is offered to the dupes. And the dupes are of both genders.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:19:32 PM EST
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I had something of a whinge at my MP on Friday about how we are failing to get our message out about why, especially at times like this, socialism (in its broadest sense of giving a shit about people other than ourselves) is really needed. We need to change the narratives, the ones that David Cameron is so successful at selling. We need to be so clear with people about how selfish capitalism got us into this mess and how selfish capitalism is the last thing that can save us from it.

That is all tied up with the loss of egalitarianism, as you say.  Now we are getting stuck in a vicious cycle of people's expectations and demands, and the need to meet those in order to get into a position where you can begin to do something about it, in order to try to change the narrative, when you've been forced to perpetuate the narrative to get there...

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:33:30 PM EST
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You've just described the difficulty of trying to use politics to change things. At least, in the absence of a broader ideological framework, a story to tell that explains things in a satisfactory way and makes people want change. For the moment, the left has abandoned its old myths and has found no new ones. So I don't expect you got any more real comprehension out of your MP than I get talking to rank and file socialists here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:41:27 PM EST
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socialism (in its broadest sense of giving a shit about people other than ourselves) is really needed

'Solidarity' is the key value defining the "left".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 04:22:36 PM EST
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And it takes a lot to shake that down. Merkel was receiving lots of unkind comments about her appearance in the media (and one assumes een more in pubs), these ebbed only after she proved herself 'more man than all the men' (e.g. outliving all the alpha males in politics from Schröder to Koch).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 05:00:46 AM EST
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