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Well, people can justify it this way.. but right now, basically is modern political imaginary and simbolism to get votes. Otehr regions of spain have a psudo-independent state atauts (Navarra), others are strucutred as a federation-confedereation with Spain (Basque Country),and still is Catalonia the more famous in right-wing spanish environment since ETA is diminished because Catalonia alwyas wants independence and get spaniards money.

Some people think that it is because the catalan families (our oligrarchy) has a desire to influence in the Madrid down-town high echelons and in the Spanish structure...and this is something whch leads to a big ideologic fight with other power groups.

Others people talk about the fact that Catalonia is the only place where a different language than spanish is used... that makes some easy symbolism if you are a spanish nationalistic party.

And the state of the spanish right-wing is awful (disgraceful, theys top at nothing) , the Consituttional Curt is in shambles, and the catalan oligarchy is stupid-dumb-stupid.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Nov 27th, 2009 at 05:19:02 AM EST
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Saying something has "a history" doesn't mean you have to tell the official History of Spain from the Treaty of Utrecht on. It means it has a past.

Is a negative view of Catalans among other Spanish people only a very recent phenomenon due to right-wing demagogy (and dumb Catalan oligarchs), or does it reach further back?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 27th, 2009 at 05:28:35 AM EST
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quite recent, very recent i nost of its forms.

having said that, you normally try what once worked in some way or form. So franco activist were against Madrid and catalonia, pre-franco times there was some animosity too but it was about anarchism-socialism-liberalism-authoritanism more than anything else..

It is a clear example of Levi_Strauss ideas, take a basic myth and make simple logical steps to adapt it.

So the basic mythology has history, the present virulent form is new.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Nov 27th, 2009 at 05:39:21 AM EST
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Ignorance-covered envy.

Sociologically, Madrid's arrogant view as the unquestionable center of power is made up by large numbers of poverty-stricken rural migrants that have worked hard (in appalling conditions during the dictatorship) to reach a comfortable financial position in democracy, without equally improving their educational level.  These two-three generations are easy prey for the PP pathology that repeats 'Catalunya has it easy with 'our' money and that's why you can't have more ... services'.  

Catalunya is prosperous and has an image of being entrepenurial, persistent, productive and innovative, but not submissive.  What's not to envy and reject?  

Add to that the Catalan nasal speech and entonation that can be spotted immediately, plus their demand for equal political-economic treatment and you have the perfect 'other' in a knee-jerk brain.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 06:25:02 PM EST
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"The negative view of Catalans among other Spanish people" is not restricted to "Madrid's arrogant view" - it is widespread and I am not even sure the view originates in Madrid though it is true that Madrid has become a PP stronghold in the last 20 years. There is enough hostile rhetoric between Catalonia and Valencia over the Catalan/Valencian language, and between Catalonia and the poorer regions of Extremadura and Andalusia which happen to have provided much of the immigrant labour that fuelled Catalonia's economic development over more than a century...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 03:10:39 PM EST
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Sounds to me like the Catalan elite (in contrast to the Navarran or Basque) is strong enough to be a threat to the ruling elite in Madrid in the question of which is the dominant elite in Spain. That might be a good enough reason to vilify the catalans as a group.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Nov 27th, 2009 at 03:41:21 PM EST
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More like the Navarra and Basque elite were/are very smert, accomplsihed a lot of things wwhen it was possible and mattered (30-20 years ago) and then disentangled from any wish to affect the internal power in central Spain.

Meanwhile in catalonia.. well just the opposite.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Fri Nov 27th, 2009 at 07:47:50 PM EST
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