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I don't understand the interest in exiling the left from power. The present configuration in the US means that the left cannot govern alone, it can only govern in an alliance. Similarly for the right. The idea that by polarizing from the mushy middle and corporatist reformers, the US left can do anything but condemn itself to watching haplessly as the far right continues to build a fascist state is one that seems to have no evidentiary basis.
by rootless2 on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 04:00:28 PM EST
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the answer to that really depends on what definition of "left" it is you're using. Poll after poll shows that on a whole load of subjects the US public is actually generally left of the nominal centre of the Democratic  party, let alone the Beltway village "centre".

not just Kucinich left, more Bernie Sanders left. That seems to be the centre of the US population when they're asked about a lot of issues. But by the time the media get their teeth into public opinion, a whole load of turkeys are voting for christmas.

So, frankly, the left we're normally discussing, which is Netroots left isn't anything I want abandoned cos it ain't even halfway to the American heartland.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 04:30:55 PM EST
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But Kucinich didn't break 10% in the Democratic primaries.
by rootless2 on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 11:45:01 PM EST
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Helen:
not just Kucinich left, more Bernie Sanders left. That seems to be the centre of the US population when they're asked about a lot of issues. But by the time the media get their teeth into public opinion, a whole load of turkeys are voting for christmas.
Of his gubernatorial bids, [Upton] Sinclair remarked in 1951: "The American People will take Socialism, but they won't take the label. I certainly proved it in the case of EPIC. Running on the Socialist ticket I got 60,000 votes, and running on the slogan to 'End Poverty in California' I got 879,000. I think we simply have to recognize the fact that our enemies have succeeded in spreading the Big Lie. There is no use attacking it by a front attack, it is much better to out-flank them."


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 04:01:39 AM EST
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Don't see room in national politics for a Left Party.  I would be eager to be proven wrong!  

I do see a potential for a Left Party gaining Congressional representation in Congressional districts and state wide offices -- good ol' Senator Bernie is a case in point here.  

Problems: the Left isn't organized enough to have the money raising structures in place; the Left doesn't have the communication/media structures in place; there's nobody, that I know of, with the required drive, persistence, and determination to put the 10 to 15 years of work in that needs to be done to pull a Sanders - if you DO know of someone, please tell me.  

by ATinNM on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 05:32:54 PM EST
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