We should get a more democratic and political Europe by 2014, when the EP elections will also be about the Commission Presidency and the new voting weights in the Council are phased in.
The following referendum in the countries you mention would then have become referendum on staying in or out of Europe, something which could have only positive consequences for Europe, by either giving it a massive stamp of legitimacy in these countries, or by allowing to push them out of the core Europe. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
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