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I say that political legitimacy prevents neoliberalism, which is all about not refusing the right to make political choices on economic issues in the name of freedom and pretending that any restriction on corporates is dictature.

Huh!? I don't see how political legitimacy contradicts the "there is no alternative" narrative in neoliberalism. If you would be right, there would be no neoliberalism anywhere in countries with democratically elected governments.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 12:37:08 PM EST
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would have been given to the pan-European institutions in Brussels whose main purpose is to do technocratic regulation in the name of the public good.

Corporations can only be regulated effectively at the continental level - giving legitimacy - and thus power - to the very institutions able and keen  to do it would have been a major step forward.

Boosting the bureaucracy would have been better than "throw the bums out" - as you know, when you throw the bums out, only one power remains: money.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 12:47:31 PM EST
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That is an argument, but it doesn't follow that political legitimacy would have prevented neoliberalism.

To attack the above argument too, technocratic regulation can mean the elimination of local regulation ("deregulation") and the prescription of 'market solutions', too. And claim that it's in the name of public good, too. Thi happened at national level, too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 12:56:50 PM EST
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that the choice was between the Nice Treaty and Europe being voted against, and the current Treaty with a positive vote for Europe.

The difference was not really in the actual processes, but about who would have had legitimacy after the vote. With the "non", as we've seen, the federalist institutions are been mocked and blamed, and all we get is the Council, increasingly assertive national governments, and open sneering by euroskeptics at Eurofederalists, calling their dream voted dead.

With the "yes", you'd have had renewed energy for pan-European action, and that usually takes the form of continent-wide regulation, or continent-wide empowering things with deep political meaning (think Schengen or the euro). The federalist institutions would have been reinforced, and they are structured to do regulation, not deregulation (deregulation is what they get to do when they have no legitimacy, because breaking things is easier than building them).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 01:16:52 PM EST
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"usually takes the form". Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

all we get is the Council, increasingly assertive national governments, and open sneering by euroskeptics at Eurofederalists, calling their dream voted dead.

With the Lisbon Treaty, we now got even an European Council as independent fourth pillar.

(You do realise I am the devil's advocate here.)

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 01:44:16 PM EST
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