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My take on what is missing before the EU is accepted as a federal state rather then an organization of states is violence. If a state wants to leave the EU today, it does no matter what the rules say. Bad relations might happen, but that is it. If a state tries to leave Germany or the US against the rules, the executive of the state will be arrested and brought to trial.

This is partly based on the existence and strength of federal forces, but even more so on the self-definition of the state forces. If the state forces sees themselves primarily as citizens of the federal state, they are unlikely to fight for the state executive at all.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 05:14:02 PM EST
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Yes, the EU has no federal police force or military.

But, more importantly, even if you had a federal police force and military, its members would have to see themselves as European first. This is unlikely to happen until long after the EU constituent treaties recognise a single EU-wide sovereign entity that the federal authorities can identify with.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 05:19:05 PM EST
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Given that the Lisbon Treaty contains
Article 50
1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
will the EU ever be a State by your definition?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 3rd, 2009 at 05:30:19 PM EST
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Yes.

Leaving in disregard of the rules was just chosen as an example of an act that disregards the federal rules. It is such a final act, which makes it a good example. Any act that should land the local executive in federal prison would work as example of where the real sovereignty resides.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 05:20:22 AM EST
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A swedish kind of death:
Any act that should land the local executive in federal prison
The EU doesn't have a federal criminal law, federal police or federal prison... yet.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 05:29:25 AM EST
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Why is a federal state - fit for purpose for the 19th C - necessarily the end-game, or even a desirable end-game?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 05:24:16 AM EST
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Unified fiscal policy requires federal tax codes and federal enforcement thereof.

Power of the purse (real power, with real enforcement) makes you a federation. If for no other reason then because of the concentration of power on the federal level required for enforcement.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 03:44:52 PM EST
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