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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:12:28 PM EST
Copenhagen climate change talks must fail, says top scientist | Environment | The Guardian

The scientist who convinced the world to take notice of the looming danger of global warming says it would be better for the planet and for future generations if next week's Copenhagen climate change summit ended in collapse.

In an interview with the Guardian, James Hansen, the world's pre-eminent climate scientist, said any agreement likely to emerge from the negotiations would be so deeply flawed that it would be better to start again from scratch.

"I would rather it not happen if people accept that as being the right track because it's a disaster track," said Hansen, who heads the Nasa Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York.

"The whole approach is so fundamentally wrong that it is better to reassess the situation. If it is going to be the Kyoto-type thing then [people] will spend years trying to determine exactly what that means." He was speaking as progress towards a deal in Copenhagen received a boost today, with India revealing a target to curb its carbon emissions. All four of the major emitters - the US, China, EU and India - have now tabled offers on emissions, although the equally vexed issue of funding for developing nations to deal with global warming remains deadlocked.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:14:59 PM EST
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Mikhail Gorbachev and Alexander Likhotal | Climate change Russian roulette | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Mounting scepticism and deadlocked negotiations have culminated in an announcement that the Copenhagen climate conference will not result in a comprehensive global climate deal. Disappointing? Certainly. But the summit was always meant to be a transitional step. The most important thing to consider is where we will go from here.

The phrase "the day after" is most commonly associated with the word "hangover". The absence of a binding agreement could mean a global hangover, and not just for a day. Fed up with apocalyptic predictions, people wanted a miracle in Copenhagen. So a perceived failure may cause a massive, perhaps irreversible, loss of confidence in our politicians. No surprise, then, that governments have sought to manage our expectations carefully.

Decision-makers have not faced up to just how close the world may be to the climate "tipping point". But, while a runaway climate remains a risk, runaway politics are already a fact. Official negotiations are removed from reality. According to the latest science, the current proposals under negotiation will result in warming of more than 4C during this century - double the 2C maximum endorsed by the G8 and other leaders. That leaves a higher than 50% probability of the world's climate moving past its tipping point.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:22:17 PM EST
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Experts express little optimism ahead of Copenhagen summit | Environment & Development | Deutsche Welle | 03.12.2009
It will be the largest climate conference ever, but the outcome far from certain. World leaders originally hoped to negotiate a treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol, but they are likely to fall short of their goal. 

Negotiators trying to hammer out a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol to reduce greenhouse gas emissions have been dragging their feet for months and disagreeing behind the scenes.

 

European Union nations have, for their part, been in relative agreement on the aim of this deal: the increase in global temperatures by 2050 cannot exceed 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit). But few non-EU countries are willing to sign on to such an accord, according to the European Commission.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:42:26 PM EST
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Climate saboteurs threaten Copenhagen: UK minister | Green Business | Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - Climate skeptics, people who doubt the science on global warming, must not be allowed to sabotage U.N. climate talks which start next week, Britain's Energy and Climate Secretary said Thursday. "I do think that we have to beware of the climate saboteurs, the people who want to say the science is somehow in doubt, and want to cast aspersions on the whole process," Ed Miliband told reporters at a briefing.

"I'm not claiming there's a conspiracy, but there are interests that don't want to see an agreement in Copenhagen."



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:53:08 PM EST
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  1.  Out-going Pres. Ike warns us about the consequences of "the military-industrial (-Congressional) complex", and he was ignored.

  2.  Years later we're told that the US has "the best government money can buy", and we ignore the warning.

  3.  Early 90's, Prez. candidate Ross Perot warns of the job losses in the US if NAFTA is approved, and we ignore him.

  4.  And now we have warnings about the climate.  Care to guess the results?


In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 09:08:38 AM EST
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Rich nations to offset emissions with birth control | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Consumers in the developed world are to be offered a radical method of offsetting their carbon emissions in an ambitious attempt to tackle climate change - by paying for contraception measures in poorer countries to curb the rapidly growing global population.

The scheme - set up by an organisation backed by Sir David Attenborough, the former diplomat Sir Crispin Tickell and green figureheads such as Jonathon Porritt and James Lovelock - argues that family planning is the most effective way to reduce the likelihood of catastrophic global warming.

Optimum Population Trust (Opt) stresses that birth control will be provided only to those who have no access to it, and only unwanted births would be avoided. Opt estimates that 80 million pregnancies each year are unwanted.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:19:13 PM EST
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EUobserver / Paul McCartney calls for meat-free Mondays in Europe

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Paul McCartney has called on Europeans to make at least one day a week meat-free in order to save the planet.

Speaking in the European Parliament on Thursday, the former Beatle warned that eating meat was doing more damage to the earth's climate than any other activity.

"The livestock industry produces more greenhouse gases than all of transport put together - cars planes trains trucking," he said.

"They used to be what we thought were the villains, but it turns out the livestock industry is worse," he continued, noting that agriculture as a whole was responsible for between 20 and 30 percent of greenhouse gas emissions,



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:29:18 PM EST
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Because meat-free Fridays would be too Christian.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 01:35:32 PM EST
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Actually, it may be a very bright move to suggest Monday. Because quite a few people will have a meat-free Friday ANYWAY. So for those you'd have two.

Although, of course, fish stocks are suffering immensely so to be useful "meat" should really be understood with its true meaning, ie animal flesh that is used as food, which of course includes fish.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:27:51 AM EST
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Nothing about fish - he's talking about livestock
"They used to be what we thought were the villains, but it turns out the livestock industry is worse," he continued, noting that agriculture as a whole was responsible for between 20 and 30 percent of greenhouse gas emissions
Unless you include farmed fish.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:52:37 AM EST
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I know -my point was just that, to make it a good idea, you'd have to include fish.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 08:11:22 AM EST
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Amazing how an ultra-wealthy entertainer can get press coverage.

Hey Paul!  How about "screw free" Wednesdays as a form of birth control?  Or how about Jack-Off Thursdays?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 09:13:14 AM EST
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Fraction too much fiction in climategate


Hacked emails point to leading climate scientists withholding data, subverting the peer-review process, and distorting information. These are stunning accusations of serious misconduct, but are they true?

They are not. Even if we presume that the stolen material is authentic, the notion that climate data is being nefariously withheld is fantastical. Most of the world's climate data, including programming code for climate models, is freely available on the web. Anyone can download it and apply their instantly acquired expertise for the betterment of humanity.

by njh on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 01:14:15 PM EST
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