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Years ago I had an idea for a virtual pubcrawling site - one that would allow you to plan (say) a pubcrawling weekend in some foreign city with a guide to local pubs, details of how to get from one to another, and of course details of the beverages and entertainments on offer.  I see various "pubcrawl" sites are now up and running, although I don't know of any that follow that format.

Once you have a good selection of content up and the beginnings of a userbase, you could facilitate user generated content by which users could document and review their favourite pubs.  Some sort of link-up with Google maps would allow the creation of pub crawl maps linking pubs with specified beverages, musical/entertainment types, ambience/community/cultural identifications etc. - that even a blind drunk could follow.  (Of course there could also be related safety, traffic hazard, and health services info!)

A database of videos of pubs would add life to wordy descriptions and snap shots.

When you reach critical mass you could charge pubs for "featured" entry and breweries for ad space for their products.  Your site could link up with hostelling, couch surfing, music, gigging, public transport, and other related infotainment sites.

The ambience would be informal - lots of scope for virtual pub chats, soap box orations, and the blathering of blithering idiots.  However there could also be more serious fora for chats on sport, politics sex and food - what normally goes on in pubs but what you could do online on the nights you can't go out.

users would be able to choose their own favourite site/pub décor - modern lounge, cocktail bar, Irish pub, traditional ale house.  You would try to build communities of like minded connoisseurs - the Caol Ila Brethren spring to mind.

A  complaints section could deal with dirty lines, filthy toilets, rowdy customers, and poor service.  A bar tender of the Month feature would interview favoured proprietors.

Above all you would guard your independence jealously.  Most drinking sites are run by marketing agencies, drinks companies, and hospitality chains.  You would seek to become the Wikipedia of Pubs - I see someone out there already has a proposal for a Wikipubs.com.

But your site wouldn't just be a pub guide.  It would be about the drinking experience and the conversations and experiences which flow from that.

You would need an IT partner and ideally a graphic designer to get the whole thing looking good ultimately - but many people could bring bits of expertise to the community.  

But its your personality that would ultimately sell the whole thing - its about real people having fun and not necessarily just about the venues and the products and services they offer.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 08:49:49 PM EST
I was introduced to a restaurant review site this week and had a chance to talk to the principals. The site is eat.fi. It is map based with user reviews. I asked them about pub reviews, but their experience was that the reviews and commentary weren't useful and they had dropped them.

What I'd suggest for Helen is that it is based upon 'Helen' as a character, who is very opinionated (but mostly right) about beer, and the site contains a growing catalogue of all the world beers reviewed. It starts with Helen's reviews, but trusted user content will be needed later. It can be done on a hobby basis to begin. (Which it is already).

Each entry would need a photo of the bottle and etiquette, and maybe what it looks like in the glass. Getting the photos is a problem - but users could help. Users should be allowed to agree or disagree with Helen's reviews. Maybe a rating system too.

Each beer entry needs to be searchable on various criteria: type, brewery, country of origin, quality, availability etc.

Later on there could be reviews of beer advertising, licensing laws etc etc. But it starts out simple.

The business model would be based on breweries, importers, pub chains etc (suppliers) paying for exposure to the site's loyal users. The more users there are, the more valuable the audience becomes. There me´needs to be a clear distinction between independent reviewing and ads or features. The site should never compromise on reviews to suit advertisers.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:27:26 AM EST
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"Helen of Troy".com - the face that launched a thousand quips...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 04:45:52 AM EST
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Helen of Dray, surely?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:22:40 AM EST
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People to Pubs.....

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by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:30:21 AM EST
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Pensive to Pissed? Vial Sharing? Self-Organgrinding Systems?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 07:33:27 AM EST
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I like Vial sharing.

But I also would likeextensibility to my ethnic shopping guide, which london seriously lacks

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 08:03:12 AM EST
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I don't think the marketing proposition should focus on organic beer processing processes or drug related metaphors...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 08:37:33 AM EST
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Spoken, it's indistinguishable from "vile sharing".

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:09:33 AM EST
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I don't see photos as much of a problem.
There are a few of us out there who could help Helen get beers from quite a few places in the world. And I know many of us would want to help.

After getting enough exposure, Helen would receive beers from the producers anyway.

The only thing about the look in the glass is that many beers have their own glasses. Then Helen would need to ask the producer for a picture -I don't see that as much of a hurdle as it's free exposure for them.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:28:09 PM EST
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You're right again. It could be partly be an ET group photo project, at least to get the ball rolling. I am quite sure that suppliers will be keen to have their product seen in the best light, and send in photos, samples whatever - if there are enough eyeballs. But I also would like to see people with the beer in some shots. People enjoying beer. It would add a sense of community - you can still have the product beauty shot, but if it was only catalogue shots it would be too sterile.

In my experience of many beer drinkers - maybe even most - people are quite loyal to their beers. There may be more than one they like, but you can also guarantee that all beer drinkers have beers they won't touch. I think this 'pride in their brand' would be a strong motivation to contribute to the site.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:38:20 PM EST
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I can dream of beers being sent from producers, but I think you have to be at "national influencer" level before that happens.

Plus, it's beer in the pub that matters, cos that's real ale; a significant determinator in the UK. However I have some strong words to say about bottled beer in the UK which I am beginning to suspect isn't quite what it seems. There is a certain supermarket whose bottled beer always disappoints and I'm beginning to suspect foul play.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:43:04 PM EST
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There you go. Your first scoop. And you do know that we have legal talent here? ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:52:23 PM EST
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Well, the guy at Malt Madness was sent some samples from whiskies sold at 10,000£ a bottle. So receiving beer (which usually comes cheaper) should definitely be possible for someone like you, who have SO much to say.

Just believe in it and I'm sure it would work.

"Plus, it's beer in the pub that matters, cos that's real ale"

Why that, though? You know a lot about other beers as well, so why limit yourself? I'd sure read what you have to say about Belgian beer, even though they are the ones I know best.
And even UK beer, well, as you say you have things to say about bottled beer (I agree it's doesn't taste the same as in the pub). People would want to know.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:23:08 PM EST
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An e-mail with a link to your site or a phone call to the PR/marketing department of any half decent company will elicit quite a few samples without a second thought.  beer companies spent a large part of their revenues promoting their brands and the prospect of having an independent voice such as your own doing some of the heavy lifting for them is just too good an opportunity to pass up.  You will be swimming in the stuff - until you knock it!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 07:05:41 PM EST
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