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Any methodological information in the Dutch source?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 04:16:54 PM EST
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The graph comes from this pdf with 15 chapters (in Dutch) but methodology is absent.

The English webpage of CBS on methodologies is here but is not worth much. The Dutch one looks very extensive.

Not my cup of tea, though.

by Nomad on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:25:54 PM EST
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Thanks. I'm trying to find relevant parts. So far I only found out that the numbers come from polls of 5000 people (not from census numbers).

*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:59:56 AM EST
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I find chapter 4, sections 1-4 are just about the issue of counting Muslims. They describe the earlier Dutch method of counting based on census, which was indeed based on ethnicity of immigrants and their descendants -- albeit a bit more sophisticated, by including an assumed secularisation rate. They argue it had to be abandoned because the assumption that the ratio of religions among immigrants from one country is the same as for the whole population of the home country was totally off.

Recent estimates are based on those 5000-man polls, and seem to be self-reported. Thus the diagram in your diary is consistent (coming from the same polls). The pdf mentions that the poll method, too, has been criticised: differential willingness to answer pollsters' question could be a factor. They argue that these criticisms are countered by some studies on second-generation immigrants, and that weighting can compensate the effect; however, I am not sure I understood their argument.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:45:54 AM EST
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DoDo:
The pdf mentions that the poll method, too, has been criticised: differential willingness to answer pollsters' question could be a factor.
That is a common methodological problem with all surveys, of course.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:58:19 AM EST
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Yep, and it is heightened when one sub-sample is small (e.g. here Muslim immigrants from a certain country).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:03:44 AM EST
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They argue that these criticisms are countered by some studies on second-generation immigrants, and that weighting can compensate the effect; however, I am not sure I understood their argument.

To be more explicit: the article seems to imply thst unwillingness or inability (due to language) to answer polls is a problem chiefly among first-generation immigrants. I don't get how studies on the secularisation of second-generation immigrants enables to control that in any way by weighting. But, I only read via Google trnalate -- Nomad, could you read that section (chapter 4, section 3, page 36-37) more thoroughly and 'report' if you 'got' more out of it?

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by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:09:21 AM EST
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