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But if the home country of the immigrants is also undergoing secularization, then what?
"Le rendez-vous des civilisations" by E.TODD and Y.COURBAGE-World Religion Watch

Youssef Courbage, who is Lebanese, is a researcher at the French national institute of demographic studies. He served for a long time as an expert with the United Nations and has fulfilled many foreign missions in the Middle East and North Africa.

Now, with his colleague Emmanuel Todd, he predicts the modernisation of the Islamic world and the birth, after Islamism, of a "de-Islamicised Muslim world" -following the patterns of the Christian West and the Buddhist Far East.

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Demographic factors also reveal that Muslim societies are in the course of a demographic transition with the rates of illiteracy and birth decreasing to levels similar to those of Western societies. Moreover, these elements are leading to rising individualism in the Muslim world. Demographic analysis thus enables them to reject the theory claiming that there are substantive differences between formerly Christian societies and Muslim societies.

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Emmanuel Todd predicts a period after Islamism: a de-Islamicised Muslim world, while Y.Courbage focuses more on secularization, not without a certain ambivalence, because this in fact means a form of secularization simultaneous with a resurgence in religiosity.  These societies are in transition religiously.

See also here.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:10:14 AM EST
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Well, I think unless the level (not rate) of the two secularisations is synchronised, that's irrelevant, e.g. won't change the status of immigrant secularisation as an indicator of integration. And even if they are synchronised, it is a question whether one is influenced more by developments in the society you left or the one you live in. (Not to mention developments in the local community you live in, ghettoised or not.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:23:12 AM EST
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I'd like to see a model of that. Too many variables to claim irrelevance of one of the correlations among them.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:29:08 AM EST
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The "irrelevance" pertains to the question of whether or not the level of immigrant secularisation [relative to the general population] is a marker of integration (which your reply countered), not to the level of immigrant secularisation itself.

To sum up: if home country and host country levels of secularisation differ, the level of immigrant secularisation is a marker of integration, whatever the change in the level of secularisation in both societies.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:32:46 PM EST
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