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to prove that the various versions (by Sarkozy, his PM Fillon and former PM Juppé and other accomplices) are full of shit

http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/0101602055-ou-etait-nicolas-sarkozy-le-9-novembre-1989

http://www.liberation.fr/politiques/0101602068-chute-du-mur-la-bande-a-sarko-se-prend-les-pieds-dans -le-tapis

Sniggers is right. They're pathetic. Some of the readers' comments are quite funny... And some rather more serious:


Ich bin Berliner, geboren in West Berlin in 1969. Ich war am Abend des 9. November am Checkpoint Charlie.

Am Vormittag des 9.11.1989 konnte niemand, wirklich NIEMAND voraussehen, dass ein Missverständnis bei einer öffentlichen Meldung einer Versammlung von DDR-Politikern, betreffend die Reisefreiheit der DDR-Bürger, nur ein paar Stunden später den Fall der Berliner Mauer zur Folge hat. (Übrigens behauptet das auch kein Mensch auf der Welt, ausser Ms. Sarkozy.) Die Mauer ist wegen eines Missverständnis' gefallen!

Der Checkpoint Charlie war am Abend um c.a. 22. Uhr noch geschlossen (Bornholmer Straße war seit 20.16 Uhr offen). Auf der West-Berliner Seite waren zu viele Menschen, die Polizisten der DDR (Volkspolizisten) hatten Angst, dass die Massen Richtung Ost-Berlin drücken. Sie wollten (durften) aber nur die Ost-Berliner raus lassen, uns aber nicht rein nach Ost-Berlin. C.a um 23. Uhr wichen die Menschen auf der West-Seite zurück und die Volkspolizisten öffneten die Grenzbarriere. Aber eben nur in eine Richtung. Für uns West-Berliner war es weiterhin nicht möglich, nach Ost- Berlin zu gehen. Niemand ist an diesem Abend von Westen nach Osten gegangen. Niemand.
Es ist außerdem absolut sicher (todsicher), dass es auf der Ost-Berliner Seite keine Graffities gab. Niemand ausser Grenzpolizisten konnte sich der Mauer von Osten her nähern, er wäre sofort erschossen worden. Dieses Foto ist garantiert nicht am 9.11.1989 aufgenommen worden. Es ist auch nicht in Ost-Berlin aufgenommen worden.

Missbrauchen sie nicht MEINE Geschichte, Ms.S. !




In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 at 05:31:30 PM EST
doing "good" journalism...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 at 05:32:09 PM EST
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I am from Berlin, born in West Berlin in 1969. I was at the Checkpoint Charlie in the afternoon of the 9th of November.

In the morning of 9.11.1989 nobody, absolutely NOBODY, could have predicted that a misunderstanding regarding a public announcement from a gathering of DDR-politicians regarding the freedom of travel for DDR citizens, would cause the fall of the Berlin wall just a few hours later. (Incidentally, that means "nobody in the entire world," with the alleged exception of Mr. Sarkozy.) The wall came came down on a misunderstanding.

Checkpoint Charlie was still closed at 10 pm (Bornholmer Strasse was open since 8:16 pm). There were too many people on the western side - the policemen from the DDR (Volkspolizisten) were afraid that the masses would press towards East Berlin. They only wanted (or were only allowed) to let the East-Berliners out, not to allow us [West-Berliners] into East Berlin. Around 11 pm the crowd [at Brandenburger Tor] drew back, and the Volkspolizisten opened the border crossing. But still only in one direction. It was still not possible for us West-Berliners to go to East Berlin. Nobody went from west to east on that evening. Nobody. It is furthermore absolutely certain (dead certain), that there was no graffiti on the East Berlin side. Nobody except the border guards could get close to the east side of the wall - they would have been shot. This photo is certainly not taken on 9.11.1989. It is also not taken in East Berlin.

Do not abuse MY history, Mr. S.!

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 at 06:04:03 PM EST
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The importance of this is that Sarkozy claims (in the Facebook account) that he and the intrepid Gaullists went through to the East that night and attacked the Wall.

In fact what the photo shows is Sarko chipping a bit of artwork from the western side. On any date you like from the 10th to the 16th, which is now being quoted in France as the real date Sarko and Co went to Berlin.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 10th, 2009 at 01:31:38 AM EST
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