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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 01:11:38 PM EST
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Hey, just cause I'm in Caleefornee now doesn't mean I don't know seasons.  My first 23 years was in upstate NY till I had the opportunity to fly the coop.

Nobody ever mentions the methane hydrate at the bottom of the ocean.  Doesn't it matter?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 01:17:44 PM EST
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The oceans won't warm up as fast as Siberia. When the methane in Siberia goes I'm sure the methane hydrates will follow.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 02:23:02 PM EST
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Not necessarily.

Why?  Because it's not a linear system.  The connection between Climate and Weather is like the difference between the sidelines of a football - your football - pitch and the play.  You can predict the play will occur within the pitch but the exact course of play and where the ball will be at any point during play is unpredictable.  

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 02:43:26 PM EST
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Yes, but we're already seeing signs that siberia is warming. So it's likely that, with current trends, this will continue.

Oceans simply don't warm up that quickly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 02:50:31 PM EST
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Nomad would know this better than any of us, but my understanding is that the stability of the methane hydrate clathrates is not merely a function of the temperature but also of the pressure. From what I've gathered, we'll be long since screwed before the deep-ocean methane can even begin to become a factor.

So hey - not to worry!

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 03:15:58 PM EST
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Here's a contribution from Nomad on methane clathrates.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 03:33:54 PM EST
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The important bit being:

European Tribune - Climate Science: Got Doom Today? (Part 2)

it shows that with an increasing temperature there is an increasing amount of CH4 in the atmosphere. But in one case the D/H deviation does not change at all, or in the posted graph, it lags behind the CH4 increase and when it does change, the deviation decreases. In a final devastating blow to the clathrate gun, Sowers made a model that simulated what would happen if all the CH4 released in the atmosphere would be from the clathrates with a -189 per mil D/H signature. This gives the black line in the graph and shows that the simulation resulted in an increase (less negative) of the D/H deviation, the precise opposite of what the record is showing.

In one stroke, Sowers delivers damning evidence that the clathrate gun hypothesis in the earth's most recent history is not even smoking. In fact, it provides the question whether it was loaded in the first place. And this is good news, since it indicates that the methane stored in the oceans is a LOT more stable than what many people were speculating. It shows that even with abrupt warming events in our recent history, the clathrates contribute insignificantly to increasing global CH4 concentrations.

I note that I didn't get around to bring back the pictures back on-line. Will be done... This discussion on methane clathrates is like a bad zombie movie.

by Nomad on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 05:09:02 PM EST
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Exactly.

There's also a relationship between temperature and pressure -- which I don't understand.  

Near as I can tell, based on my minimal understanding, by the time the deep-ocean methane would be released the affects and effects of conditions required for it to be released would have effectively destroyed the world As We Know It anyway.  

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 03:38:00 PM EST
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