It's just cos I've still got this fag-end of a cold, so I'm kinda sensitive to this. I'll be feeling nostalgic this time next year when the temperature is in the mid-teens. This is gonna be the last cold winter for some time. keep to the Fen Causeway
This is gonna be the last cold winter for some time.
That a joke? You know something I should? In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
Bear in mind I'm not a climate scientist and that there are a lot of mitigating bits of information I don't know. that said my understanding is as follows;- We've had the elNina for 2 - 3 years which has been keeping us cold coupled with the solar minimum which has been compounding that cooling. They have tended to obscure the general warming trend which means that, although this decade was warmer than last decade, this hasn't fed through in europe.
now that both of those phenomena are ending the gloves are off temperature wise. Next summer is gonna be hot, next winter won't be that cold and the summer after will be hotter etc etc.
this goes on for 6 - 7 years. If the methane in Siberia doesn't go we've got another 7 years after that. However in 12-13 years time we're back in the same place, just at a warmer starting point. Sooner or later the methane will go and we won't get back to Kansas in our lifetime.
And nothing our weaselling corporate sucking politicians decide in copenhagen is gonna be anything like enough. keep to the Fen Causeway
Nobody ever mentions the methane hydrate at the bottom of the ocean. Doesn't it matter? In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
Why? Because it's not a linear system. The connection between Climate and Weather is like the difference between the sidelines of a football - your football - pitch and the play. You can predict the play will occur within the pitch but the exact course of play and where the ball will be at any point during play is unpredictable.
Oceans simply don't warm up that quickly. keep to the Fen Causeway
So hey - not to worry! The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
European Tribune - Climate Science: Got Doom Today? (Part 2)
it shows that with an increasing temperature there is an increasing amount of CH4 in the atmosphere. But in one case the D/H deviation does not change at all, or in the posted graph, it lags behind the CH4 increase and when it does change, the deviation decreases. In a final devastating blow to the clathrate gun, Sowers made a model that simulated what would happen if all the CH4 released in the atmosphere would be from the clathrates with a -189 per mil D/H signature. This gives the black line in the graph and shows that the simulation resulted in an increase (less negative) of the D/H deviation, the precise opposite of what the record is showing. In one stroke, Sowers delivers damning evidence that the clathrate gun hypothesis in the earth's most recent history is not even smoking. In fact, it provides the question whether it was loaded in the first place. And this is good news, since it indicates that the methane stored in the oceans is a LOT more stable than what many people were speculating. It shows that even with abrupt warming events in our recent history, the clathrates contribute insignificantly to increasing global CH4 concentrations.
it shows that with an increasing temperature there is an increasing amount of CH4 in the atmosphere. But in one case the D/H deviation does not change at all, or in the posted graph, it lags behind the CH4 increase and when it does change, the deviation decreases. In a final devastating blow to the clathrate gun, Sowers made a model that simulated what would happen if all the CH4 released in the atmosphere would be from the clathrates with a -189 per mil D/H signature. This gives the black line in the graph and shows that the simulation resulted in an increase (less negative) of the D/H deviation, the precise opposite of what the record is showing.
In one stroke, Sowers delivers damning evidence that the clathrate gun hypothesis in the earth's most recent history is not even smoking. In fact, it provides the question whether it was loaded in the first place. And this is good news, since it indicates that the methane stored in the oceans is a LOT more stable than what many people were speculating. It shows that even with abrupt warming events in our recent history, the clathrates contribute insignificantly to increasing global CH4 concentrations.
I note that I didn't get around to bring back the pictures back on-line. Will be done... This discussion on methane clathrates is like a bad zombie movie.
There's also a relationship between temperature and pressure -- which I don't understand.
Near as I can tell, based on my minimal understanding, by the time the deep-ocean methane would be released the affects and effects of conditions required for it to be released would have effectively destroyed the world As We Know It anyway.
