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This is the real scandal, not the Climate Science emails...
The validity of a theory proper does not depend on the correspondence or lack of it between the assumptions of the theory or its conclusions and observations in the real world. A theory as an internally consistent system is valid if the conclusions follow logically from its premises, and the fact that neither the premises nor theconclusions correspond to reality may show that the theory is not very useful, but does not invalidate it.
Such disdain for empirical verification is not found in the physical sciences.
You can say that. When a physical theory is "not very useful" in this sense it is abandoned, even by "pure theorists". If it is a beautiful mathematical construct it may continue to be studied by pure mathematicians for its mathematical properties. So, what is Vickery saying? That Economics is "pure theory"? Is Economics just pure mathematics done by nonmathematicians? (I found Samuelson's celebrated Foundations of Economic Analysis ugly as mathematics --- if it is "not very useful" in Vickery's sense, then why bother with it?)

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:06:59 AM EST
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Its popularity in the social sciences is sponsored by vested interests.

That follow on sentence from your quote is the qualifier. Economics is, despite all of the mathematical mumbo-jumbo surrounding it, a social science. That is, its theories are simply competing opinions detached from observable behaviour where the biggest backer wins.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:19:48 AM EST
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Most of the other social sciences in fact shy away from pure mathematical theory and try to hold on to their "science" status by being extremely empiricist and overly reliant on statistics. For our purposes, that would describe econometrics.

Disciplines that don't have the luxury of quantitative data where statistics can be applied (say, cultural anthropology as opposed to physical anthropology) fall under humanities, I guess, not social science.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:24:33 AM EST
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The correct phrase for economics is Public Relations - as above.

Just because something looks algorithmic and has numbers in it doesn't mean that the algorithms are meaningful, interesting, or useful.

The entire NCE project was, is, and continues to be, PR and political spin.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:29:35 AM EST
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The classical economists that Hudson mentions here
my  book describes the "intellectual engineering" that has turned the economics discipline into a public relations exercise for the rentier classes criticized by the classical economists: landlords, bankers and monopolists. It was largely to counter criticisms of their unearned income and wealth, after all, that the post-classical reaction aimed to limit the conceptual "toolbox" of economists to become so unrealistic, narrow-minded and self-serving to the status quo.
called their discipline political economy. I think one of the latest to do so was John Stuart Mill, who wrote in the middle third of the 19th century. Unfortunately, institutional economists and other who study the power relations that Hudson also mentions as central to economic reality are labelled as "sociologists" and ignored by mainstream economics.

It turns out that Economics is Politics after all.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:29:58 AM EST
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It turns out that Economics is Politics after all.

Of course! And the entire purpose of NCE is and always has been to disguise that fact. Looks like I will have to buy Hudson's latest edition of Trade & International Debt for the history of economics it now contains. This sort of information is much more useful to my little brain than trying to get my head around a bunch of bull shit economic mathematical models.

If I am going to do that I might as well go ahead and try to learn at least ordinary differential equations. Then I would better be able to follow Steve Keen's work. Any recommendations for Differential Equations for Dummies? Or is there such a book and is it useful?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 02:53:52 PM EST
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I suggest Introduction to Dynamics by Percival and Richards, Cambridge University Press.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 03:00:53 PM EST
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This is the real scandal

The sentiment AND the fact that he got the "Nobel" while holding such sentiments.  Shoulda gotten the Ig-Nobel to accompany the "Nobel". That would have put things in an appropriate context.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:08:17 PM EST
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